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Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by scarface74 »

frabcus wrote: post #34
scarface74 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true. Both Spotify, when they were in the App Store, and NYT have higher prices in the App Store than outside.

Apple enforce the rules capriciously, and change them on a whim. Almost certainly, they allow Spotify and the NYT because iOS customers and potential customers would object too much if they were removed from the store. A well as the 30% tax making all apps worse in quality by removing money from development, the unpredictableness and unfairness destroys many businesses before they even start.

So even though I pointed to two well known cases where that isn’t true, you’re getting your information from where exactly?

Yes and the 30% cut is moving money from poor Epic’s pockets so they can’t sell virtual coins for dance moves. Most money on the App Store comes from whales playing pay to win games like Candy Crush.

You have no proof - not in the rules that are published or anywhere else.

You can simply go to the App Store and go to NYT website to show that you are wrong.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by tick_tock_tick »

briandear wrote: post #78
djxfade wrote: post #55

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Media streaming services "only" pay a 15% fee on IAP

How much are credit card fees? Chargebacks? Fraud? Server costs to host your app and updates? The shopping cart/private infrastructure? You actually get some value from those percentages, but few people actually run the numbers.

~3% or less.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by brendawalsh »

wmf wrote: post #15
bilal4hmed wrote: post #6

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They are betting on the fact that arent a majority in any space. Its the best situation for them, then dont have majority market share but make the most revenue. They see Google being split up and therefore being the only game in town.

I didn't notice when this happened, but apparently iPhone now has over 50% of the US phone market.

Maybe when the new SE came out?

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by pier25 »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #28
turblety wrote: post #5

I know I really don't matter to Apple, but this walled garden and app store dictatorship is what finally made me move away from iOS to Android last year. I had used Android in the past, but it was with Samsung Galaxy's which where very bloated and awful when compared to Apple. But when a friend told me that Samsung just ruin Android [1] and I should try an actual Google phone, I bought a Pixel and it's honestly great…

Android is also kinda a walled garden. At least in this context play store terms is not more developer friendly than app store in ios. While installing APKs is more easier than codesigning custom apps for iphone, I think it could be used in rare cases.

> Android is also kinda a walled garden

You can send an .apk to any android user and they will be able to install it. That's the opposite of a walled garden.

> At least in this context play store terms is not more developer friendly than app store in ios.

You don't have to pay Google $100 every year.

Your app is published within 30 mins.

You can deploy pretty much any app that runs on Android (other browsers, other stores, etc).

You can sell stuff on your app or even put a button to your website to buy stuff.

Etc.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by 9HZZRfNlpR »

bilal4hmed wrote: post #32
wmf wrote: post #15

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I didn't notice when this happened, but apparently iPhone now has over 50% of the US phone market.

interesting neither did I. Globally its still 25% however.

IPhone is expensive, who can spend 1000 euro on a damn phone? Not many even here in Europe. Americans have tons of disposable money, see wealthier and in general like ti consume.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by syshum »

scarface74 wrote: post #22
rstat1 wrote: post #17

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>I would literally add "30% Apple Tax" to the check out screen... I've heard from other iOS devs in a similar bind that Apple forbids you from doing anything to recover the 30% cut they take. You either just have to eat it, or make your prices 30% higher everywhere.

This is not true. Both Spotify, when they were in the App Store, and NYT have higher prices in the App Store than outside.

Yes and apple would never bend/change/or randomly enforce rules on some devs and not others.... no no no....

Apple is as pure and holy as the driven snow, they are most ethical company in existence.. They do not really care about money at all, they are just looking out for their users...

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by syshum »

api wrote: post #36
turblety wrote: post #5

I know I really don't matter to Apple, but this walled garden and app store dictatorship is what finally made me move away from iOS to Android last year. I had used Android in the past, but it was with Samsung Galaxy's which where very bloated and awful when compared to Apple. But when a friend told me that Samsung just ruin Android [1] and I should try an actual Google phone, I bought a Pixel and it's honestly great…

Unfortunately going from iOS to Android is out of the frying pan into the fire. Android is much worse from a privacy point of view. You can easily see this by just spying on network traffic and DNS requests from the device. It's constantly telling everyone about you. Your choice in mobile is walled castle or forest full of thieves. I suppose there are open source phones around but I don't personally find them that us…

I will choose a forest of thieves long before a knell to a tyrant king

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by wwright »

djxfade wrote: post #53
dylan-m wrote: post #11

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> On the one hand, sure Apple should be able to make a cut on their app store Apple makes a cut: they charge developers a not insignificant yearly fee of 99 USD per seat, they sell iOS devices and services at great profit, they happily earn 15-30% from in-app purchases and subscriptions wherever developers choose to use those features, they earn 30% on any apps that choose to be paid, and they reserve the right to se…

The 99 USD fee is not per seat

Even if it was, that’s definitely not significant. Each engineer is probably paid more per day than that.

(I’m not a fan of the flat 30% charge, but developer program fees are not a challenge for any group with a revenue stream if any kind.)

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by dylan-m »

wwright wrote: post #98
djxfade wrote: post #53

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The 99 USD fee is not per seat

Even if it was, that’s definitely not significant. Each engineer is probably paid more per day than that. (I’m not a fan of the flat 30% charge, but developer program fees are not a challenge for any group with a revenue stream if any kind.)

Yeah, I meant per developer. Wires crossed. But it certainly doesn't matter what each engineer is paid.

Apple has 20 million registered developers.

[Edit: And let's say a third of them pay that fee, which is admittedly probably a stretch. The finer details are not my point here other than to say here's a bunch of money that comes in no matter what]

I don't care what those developers are making: that's serious income right there. If Apple think they are entitled to more, that's their problem, but don't act like they're making any kind of sacrifice here, and for fuck's sake people need to stop trying to convince themselves that Apple are their friends.

Re: WordPressiOS Locked by App Store

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Post by JeremyNT »

kuzimoto wrote: post #12
turblety wrote: post #5

I know I really don't matter to Apple, but this walled garden and app store dictatorship is what finally made me move away from iOS to Android last year. I had used Android in the past, but it was with Samsung Galaxy's which where very bloated and awful when compared to Apple. But when a friend told me that Samsung just ruin Android [1] and I should try an actual Google phone, I bought a Pixel and it's honestly great…

> I am very privacy, open-source, freedom orientated I like to think I am as well. How do you balance this when moving from Apple to Android, where Apple (seems) to be much more privacy-focused and basically at zero for open-source/freedom, where Android is basically the reverse? I think there are ways to make it better (custom ROM, alternative app stores), but you give up a lot of functionality (Play Store, Google P…

You can use stock Android without a Google account. You can avoid the Google Play Store, disable most google default provided apps, and sideload apps of your choosing. You can use a browser (such as Firefox) that the phone vendor has no control over. You can even install an alternate app store. This sounds like what the parent is doing, and it's the best mainstream experience for anybody looking for a privacy and security oriented mobile device (while still actually having control of their own device).

With a Pixel phone, you can go further, unlock the bootloader and install a third party OS that does not even include Google services installed at all.

Of course, on the other hand, you could sign up for every google service, load all their apps, and consent to all their tracking, in which case you give away everything. Google makes it very easy to do this.

But either way, it's at least your choice. Unlike Apple, which thinks it certainly knows best what code should be allowed on your computer and how it should be placed there.

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