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Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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What kind of flour do you use? Usually it contains sugar too.

What kind of flour has sugar in it? Most flours are a mixture of starches and protein from grinding up a grain. Starches take more work to digest than sugars, so they don't spike blood sugar levels as quickly.

Flours do contain some naturally occurring sugar, usually less than 1%.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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I feel like we were always taught that taxes were significantly better at curbing usage compared to bans or limits - the classic example being the cigarette tax

Cigarette tax is a scam to raise money from selling drugs. Cigs have inelastic demand. In Germany they hit a point where a price rise (in the name of health) resulted in reduced smoking and less tax collected and they immediately wanted to reduce tax. That caused a scandal so they changed tack to homogonize tax across the eu which, incidentally of course, would reduce tax in Germany. Tax is charged on cigs because it…

> I prefer that to a ban, but let's not pretend selling cigs at high prices is in the interest of cig smokers.

I'd prefer if the fight against smoking was not dealt with in a classist way (the ones suffering the most from this tax are poor people, who don't have either the money or the mental energy to fight off an addiction)!

The best way to fight smoking is to get rid of advertising... where Germany (and Bulgaria) are the only EU countries left where it is still legal to advertise for tobacco products on billboards.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Sugar is an addictive poison. These products should be outright banned. Folks can make wonderful pastries at home. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2009/06/8187/obesity-and-metabolic... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

>These products should be outright banned. Folks can make wonderful pastries at home. Sugar is sugar. What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store bought pastry?

The amount of sugar in them, very often.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Sugar is an addictive poison. These products should be outright banned. Folks can make wonderful pastries at home. https://www.ucsf.edu/news/2009/06/8187/obesity-and-metabolic... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

>These products should be outright banned. Folks can make wonderful pastries at home. Sugar is sugar. What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store bought pastry?

> Sugar is sugar. What's the difference between a homemade pastry and store bought pastry?

You can control the amount of sugar within something you bake yourself for starter.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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Dumb, just tax fructose in proportion to how much is added. Ths US should do the same thing.

Fructose is far from the only unhealthy ingredient in junk food.

Fructose is arguably a poison indistinguishable from ethanol in some very consequential ways.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-alcoholic_fatty_liver_dise...

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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This law is way way way overdue. American Corporations are killing Mexico's youth with junk food. I know kids who exclusively drink soda. Healthy, beautiful kids who deserve to go out and play and live their best lives.

I know it's in vogue to blame everything on America, but Mexico has a thriving domestic junk food industry too. And frankly, many of their snacks are much better than anything America makes (Takis in particular, I think I'm addicted to them...) Anyway I support this law. Banning junk food/drinks for kids is long overdue. It's little different from banning the sale of cigarettes to kids.

I don't think most people blame USA, it's just "progress". Yesterday at the supermarket I noticed the disproportionate ratio between healthy food (and I count there red meat) and junk food (snacks, sweets,...)

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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We tax alcohol and cigarettes because they are bad for you, but are totally fine with binge eating as much junk food as you like. Obesity is a massive epidemic. Heart attack and stroke are the number one killers, with obesity the highest cause. I'm all for putting warning labels on food showing the potential problems of overconsumption.

Warning labels aren't going to do anything aside from trigger busybody soccer moms when they go to buy their kid's cereal because they won't stop screaming for it. Taxing it is better, but still ultimately is not going to solve the root problem, which I think is the government's over-subsidization of corn and the overabundance of HFCS. Ban HFCS/similar garbage sweeteners in all food products, and incentivize farmers…

Subsidies are the reason HFCS is used in everything in the US, but sucrose is also cheap and isn't healthier than HFCS. I'm not convinced that the price difference between the two would significantly affect manufacturers' decisions of whether or not to include a sweetener.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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This law is way way way overdue. American Corporations are killing Mexico's youth with junk food. I know kids who exclusively drink soda. Healthy, beautiful kids who deserve to go out and play and live their best lives.

You can't blame this on Americans. Walk into any tiendita in rural Mexico and you will find isles of candy and sugary beverages, much of which Americans wouldn't recognize. Mexico loves sweets.

I'm glad they're recognizing that dietary health is a serious issue and trying to make changes. But I wonder what effect this will have on paleterias? They're one of the many things I miss from Mexico.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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This kind of comment asking for it to be banned is always from an extremely uninformed person. Addictive poison, really? Wait til they see what's in fruit. Or just talk to a sports scientist about why it's in sports drinks. Of course in excess it's bad, but normal sugar consumption is not an issue.

> This kind of comment asking for it to be banned is always from an extremely uninformed person. Shifting the responsibility for solving a problem from the government towards individual consumers so that corporations can keep making money is a tried, extremely dirty and old PR strategy, originating at least with BP: https://mashable.com/feature/carbon-footprint-pr-campaign-sh...

The PR strategy works because people believe in personal agency.

Re: Mexican states are moving to ban the sale of junk food to children

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> These products should be outright banned. This attitude is more dangerous than sugar.

What is dangerous about banning products with added sugar? I mean, I'm against it. A lot of traditional foods, like fruit preserves, have added sugar. But what is danger, exactly? People would just not have food that tastes as good...

I think the person you are responding to is calling prohibitionism dangerous, not this consequences of this particular proposal.
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