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How Purism avoids Intel’s Active Management Technology

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Re: How Purism avoids Intel’s Active Management Technology

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There have been two really severe AMT vulnerabilities (basically allowing complete takeover of the PC through the network). These have been patched and no widescale exploitation of them has been reported AFAIK. The other vulnerabilities essentially allow for a super-rootkit: if you can get arbitrary code execution in the AMT from the OS then you can escalate an exploit into a rootkit which is basically impossible to…

> severe AMT vulnerabilities (basically allowing complete takeover of the PC through the network) Does this mean when the PC was connected by ethernet cable? Even by wifi? The exploit could have worked by visiting an arbitrary website? With no click? (I’m not being skeptical. I just want to understand what’s required for the exploit to work.)

You don't even need to boot the machine much less go to a website.

One of them I think was actually a zero day, you could get up on shodan and find piles of machines that would just let you upload an ISO and boot whatever you wanted on them.

It really is that bad.

Re: How Purism avoids Intel’s Active Management Technology

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Clearly there’s demand for an Intel product with these features absent from the platform controller hub.

I acknowledge that hardware products take years to develop, and they already have a lot on their plate.

Perhaps Intel doesn’t care about consumer whims, but clearly there’s demand from companies like Google.

I’m just generally surprised at the lack of public-facing responses from Intel’s leadership around this and other security issues facing their platform. It all reads like lawyers trying to minimize their liability.

They’re one of the most important technology platforms today. Everything besides cellphones runs on Intel.

Despite actually being a monopoly or duopoly, they don’t have to be so stodgy. I want to love them for their profound impact these past few decades, but it’s hard when it feels like they don’t listen to their customers.

Re: How Purism avoids Intel’s Active Management Technology

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It's certainly one of those "acquired tastes", though like with 3.5mm elimination, I don't understand the sheer vitriol against it by those who happen not to use it. Why do you care? If everything else in Thinkpad appealed to you, why would an eminently ignorable feature be such a HUGE ("single reason") deal breaker? In my mind, either a) There are other reasons and this is a convenient conscious or subconscious scap…

The trackpoint is ugly. It's a giant throwback pimple in the middle of the keyboard, which there's no way to get around looking at all the time. Thinkpads being ugly is kind of their thing, so it doesn't surprise me that lots of Thinkpad people don't mind it or even see it as a plus, but to me seeing a trackpoint is like seeing a floppy drive. I used one for years, and I'm really happy that trackpads have gotten good…

What do you mean by display notches? Like the iPhone's unibrow?

Re: How Purism avoids Intel’s Active Management Technology

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post #53

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It does read like that, but even so, the initial question from Raptor Computing Sys was very well worded and not disrespectful at all. The inability to at a minimum leave it as "We've covered this before, and disagree on some items. We'll have to agree to disagree and leave it at that." or even "I'm doing what I can, we'll see where it ends up in the end" or "See the official account for official statements" is the t…

To be fair, I can see why > Even if you do port coreboot was read as abrasive; that tweet can be read as a snarky attack that belittles the efforts of the porter, to which the "so what?" response is apt – in fact, a de-escalation. And yet, in reality, it wasn't one. (This is why you assume good faith, people!)

>> Even if you do port coreboot

> was read as abrasive; that tweet can be read as a snarky attack that belittles the efforts of the porter

I guess, because it allows for the chance that someone may not finish what they set out to do?

> to which the "so what?" response is apt – in fact, a de-escalation

"so what" is not a useful path to de-escalation. It's a way of saying "you've said your point and I don't think any of it applies, but I'm not going to explain why, nor even go to the length of explaining this to you, and instead respond with two words." It is, at it's core, dismissive, and that's not a useful way to de-escalate (even though I admit some people seem to think it is). What people don't seem to understand that that colloquial speech used with a friend is often dismissive in exactly this way, on purpose, because when you can actually assume good faith because of lots of prior interactions, it speeds up communication.

> And yet, in reality, it wasn't one.

Yeah, as I noted above, it very rarely is. The only times I think it can be used safely are when the people in question know each other well enough to know the other person is not being condescending and dismissive, and even then it's easy to be interpreted as that when the discussion is heated. In those cases, it sometimes takes people cooling off to assess the conversation more rationally and see what's actually the more likely intent in the phrase.

> (This is why you assume good faith, people!)

Good faith is useful, and necessary, but it really works best when only a little faith is needed in the first place. Since you can only assume good faith for yourself, it's also in your own self interest to make sure you limit the ways in which you speech can be misinterpreted. Often that means being a bit more formal so misunderstandings based on tone and familiarity are more rare. That's a shame, because sometimes we want to show friendship through our words, but that's much harder to do in pure text. Smiley's and emoticons can actually go a long way towards correctly communicating intent in these cases.

Sorry for the rant, I used this as a way to solidify some of my thinking on the subject. :)

Re: How Purism avoids Intel’s Active Management Technology

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post #69

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The trackpoint is ugly. It's a giant throwback pimple in the middle of the keyboard, which there's no way to get around looking at all the time. Thinkpads being ugly is kind of their thing, so it doesn't surprise me that lots of Thinkpad people don't mind it or even see it as a plus, but to me seeing a trackpoint is like seeing a floppy drive. I used one for years, and I'm really happy that trackpads have gotten good…

But display notches obscure the display, they're a functional issue. There's literally a hole in the image. (I have a top centre notch, and curved corners, on my A70. When watching content, wherever possible I letterbox the corners and notch out so that I'm not missing anybody the actual frame.) Most typists aren't touching the nipple when they're typing, so is it an objection that's purely aesthetic, as opposed to n…

My experience is absolutely not that most typists I know don't touch it accidentally, that sounds aspirational to me. It's definitely in the way and annoying if you're not thinking about it. Especially if you're doing something like video editing where you don't have your hands in the normal typing position. Or even in an IDE where you're back and forth to the trackpad a lot.

People who type a lot are super sensitive to changes in their keyboard, and this is a change to the keyboard. It's definitely both aesthetic and functional.

Re: How Purism avoids Intel’s Active Management Technology

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The trackpoint is ugly. It's a giant throwback pimple in the middle of the keyboard, which there's no way to get around looking at all the time. Thinkpads being ugly is kind of their thing, so it doesn't surprise me that lots of Thinkpad people don't mind it or even see it as a plus, but to me seeing a trackpoint is like seeing a floppy drive. I used one for years, and I'm really happy that trackpads have gotten good…

There is no better way of controlling a mouse when you have limited elbow room. It also keeps your hands nearer the keys.

> no better way

Well that's just, like, your opinion.

Re: How Purism avoids Intel’s Active Management Technology

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Disabling is not removing. People have found motherboards that should ostensibly not support vPro (e.g. Asus gaming motherboards) that do report vPro ME functionality. There is no reason to believe the software switch is working, especially when even a system integrator can accidentally enable the features. If someone wants them on they turn on. Purism sells snakeoil. Presenting their offerings as FOSS-compatible wou…

I'm glad someone is trying.

Re: How Purism avoids Intel’s Active Management Technology

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post #84

"with the intention of reverse-engineering the remaining parts" this line strikes me as odd. Don't OEMs normally have a contract with Intel (or someone that does) for licensing the motherboard design that would prevent them from doing this?

I have no idea what the contracts say, but Purism seems to be comfortable operating "outside the system" so maybe they just won't have any contract with Intel.
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