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The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

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Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

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post #81

One has to believe there's a deliberate intelligence effort signal boosting this a fair bit, meshed within the various layers of accounts/platforms propagating it. Similar example of practices: https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-research/2020/07/ghostwr... The above relies on a fair bit of identity building as well, so Q's source/breeding in more anon platforms helps all the better. Intense stuff.

I am convinced that Q, if not started, was quickly taken over and turned into a Russian psyop. I expected the Mueller report to validate this (gross online astroturfing campaigns by state actors), but unless it is in the redacted parts, it is not there. But even casually investigating banned Twitter accounts used for Russian propaganda, you see a lot of clear connections with the "totally organic" Christian MAGA Qano…

> I believe Q was initially conceived in case Trump had lost the election

When would've that been? The first "drop" by Q happened on October 28, 2017.

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

#92
post #3

Okay, but why is this theory so different? There are lots and lots of conspiracy theories from every corner of the political sphere. Why is this one a real security threat?

It has representation in congress now, for one.

If we're going by representation in congress isn't the Russia collusion conspiracy theory much more prevalent?

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

#93
post #3

Okay, but why is this theory so different? There are lots and lots of conspiracy theories from every corner of the political sphere. Why is this one a real security threat?

I was thinking about just this the other day -- why and how is QAnon a different sort of conspiracy theory?

One thought that occurred to me is that it is not a post-hoc theory to explain events in the past, like for example, 9/11 trutherism, the Kennedy assassination, COINTELPRO abuses, or Roswell. Those are "classical" conspiracy theories, and they often touch on shady machinations of government and extra-governmental sources of power, but they focus on a major fact, event, or sequence of them in the past.

QAnon is predictive. It is not accurately predictive at all, but it is fundamentally present-and-future-oriented. People buying into it believe that they are in the midst of a vast conspiracy now, and expect things to transpire in the future based on that version of reality.

That could make adherents act differently today and tomorrow from how they would otherwise, expecting certain rewards later or to be regarded in a particular light "when the truth comes out", instead of merely feeling differently about actors from the past and believing they have uncovered some past truth.

Another aspect that I think plays a key role is the wink and nod support from those with power who know it helps maintain their grip on a certain segment of their voter base. The tacit support given by seriously empowered agents in our world is stunning and upsetting, but rarely if ever crosses a line to where they've really committed themselves.

Then, there's the crowd-driven nature of it. It's like someone harnessed the concept of "anonymous" from a few years ago and deftly weaponized it for a specific political purpose. Whatever is said by Q may not have been said by Q. It may have been said to throw someone off of the trail. Anyone could claim to be speaking as Q. No one knows where legitimacy flows from. It's a headless thing, but it can't stop talking -- who knows what it might say? Who might use it to speak?

It has clearly already radicalized a large number of people into rejecting many normal beliefs -- how far could it direct their actions at large, or at least those of individuals?

It is a seriously great con. But these aspects -- future-orientedness, tacit legitimization, and potentially zero control -- make it a seriously scary thing to have built into the political landscape of today's society.

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

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Is it just me, or is there a fair bit of down-voting occurring on pretty rational takes on this thread. ...and the post got flagged!

It is a controversial issue regarding identity and perception. You can't agree to disagree. One side believes pedophelia is being enabled, the other side believes brainwashing is deploying as a political weapon.

The topic abhors rationality. It's a wedge in political discourse, because it is seemingly immoral to take the middle ground.

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

#95
post #35

All misinformation is a risk and threat. But Qanon seems minor when compared to others that are perpetuated by major news organization and undermine democracy: Russia collusion conspiracy theory, fine people on both sides hoax (the belief that the President called neo-nazis fine people). These have much more public and institutional support than QAnon.

I’m sure Trump’s love of neo-nazi imagery, slogans, ideas, policies, and people is just a coincidence, like the video he tweets of his supporters yelling ‘white power’. I’m sure it’s all a hoax, like his support of the very fine neo-nazis that killed heather heyer or the trump tower meeting with veselnitskya.

Saying he loves Nazi imagery is mind reading.

He condemned the neo-nazis at Charletsville. He never said they were very fine people.

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

#96
post #22

A good listen about QAnon: https://youtu.be/lf3xlx9K0DI Big issue with QAnon is that unlike normal standalone conspiracy theories, this one engulfs all other ones into a single plot.

> this one engulfs all other ones into a single plot

This is nothing new, the shapeshifting lizard conspiracy already did this.

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

#97
post #33

America is bat-shit crazy.

This is going to get voted down to hell, but I'd like to reply before it does: America really does have a long history of huge numbers of people believing absolutely insane things. QAnon is the new satanic panic. I'd love to know how and why, but I think the answer is probably just religion.

I like Michael Moors theory of those Settlers coming to this big, strange country and being afraid of everything which then became a kind of fear culture.

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

#98
post #22

A good listen about QAnon: https://youtu.be/lf3xlx9K0DI Big issue with QAnon is that unlike normal standalone conspiracy theories, this one engulfs all other ones into a single plot.

That's really not so different than many previous popular conspiracy theories.

Replace QAnon's pedophile elite with one of:

- The Catholic Church

- Free Masons

- Rosicrutians

- Illuminati

- Jewish Bankers

- Satanist Elites

- Lizard People

- The CIA

- UN Globalists w/ Agenda 21

- And so on...

What makes a conspiracy theory really _stick_ is when it confounds a _kernel of truth_. The more convincing and defensible that kernel of truth is, the easier it is to build conjecture upon.

Ie, the CIA probably isn't directing world affairs, but they do certainly engage in political actions to disrupt the course of nations, and so many extrapolate their influence to extents we don't have evidence for.

QAnon's kernel of truth is the incredibly alluring and defensible idea that politicians cannot be trusted and many are not working in our best interest. From there... The sky's the limit.

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

#99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might not agree that Black lives matter, but it's not a conspiracy theory. With BLM, people are opting in to a social movement rooted in observed police violence. QAnon is not tethered to reality in the slightest.

Some Black Power and Black Israelite proponents do seem to believe that a very literal, criminal conspiracy is involved in oppressing Blacks, going far beyond the mainstream characterization of "racism". To be sure, these views are not exactly widespread or mainstream in the BLM movement - but they're probably at least as common as belief in the Qanon story.

>but they're probably at least as common as belief in the Qanon story.

Why do you believe this is probable?

Re: The QAnon Conspiracy Theory: A Security Threat in the Making?

#100
post #68

It seems like the media is talking about this more than anyone else at this point. There have literally been over 2000 articles written to debunk this. The content has been banned from reddit, twitter and other platforms. Why is everyone so vigilant to call it "dangerous"? Why not flat earth and chem trails? Why all the attention for this one thing?

Because Twitter still hasn't and there are hundreds of thousands of Americans who follow the accounts that propagate this.

That appears to be changing: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/twitter-bans-7-000-qa...
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