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SpaceX Falcon Heavy announced: 53 metric tons to low earth orbit

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Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy announced: 53 metric tons to low earth orbit

#91
I am totally blown away by how a private company has done this, especially at a cost much lower to what government programs have managed to achieve.

I was recently watching a documentary about the early jet era and I remember being amazed at the innovation showed by those at De Havilland, Boeing, DC and thinking 'this would never happen again, everything is too expensive' - and here we have a private company getting us into space at 20% of the cost.

Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy announced: 53 metric tons to low earth orbit

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The table here doesn't give cost comparisons for the other launch vehicles, but in the press conference Elon Musk said that the Delta IV Heavy costs roughly 3x the Falcon Heavy, meaning that the FH is approximately 6x cheaper in $/lb to low earth orbit. The figures quoted on the page work out to $1,070 per lb to LEO. That's less than $200k to lift the mass of a 180lb human.

That's less than $200k to lift the mass of a 180lb human.

No, it's $80-$125 million to lift 650 humans, packed like intermodal containers in stacks roughly 20 bodies high. Which technically amortizes to ~$150k/sardine, but I don't think this is meaningful!

Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy announced: 53 metric tons to low earth orbit

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post #91

I am totally blown away by how a private company has done this, especially at a cost much lower to what government programs have managed to achieve. I was recently watching a documentary about the early jet era and I remember being amazed at the innovation showed by those at De Havilland, Boeing, DC and thinking 'this would never happen again, everything is too expensive' - and here we have a private company getting…

You better not let a US military-industrial corporation like Boeing acquire SpaceX. Those low cost launches will disappear instantly.

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This really is impressive news. Out of curiosity, is there a plan by any government to clean up the ever increasing mess of space junk in LEO ?

I found this chart from the Economist pretty interesting:

http://media.economist.com/images/images-magazine/2010/34/ST...

Aside from the giant spike when China decided to blow up a satellite, it seemed to be leveling out...

Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy announced: 53 metric tons to low earth orbit

#96

Elon Musk seems to be someone who really knows how to do cool things with the spoils of a successful software company. Are there any other good examples of people like this that have taken one big win and parlayed it into investing in seriously futuristic technology?

Richard Branson is a good example of an "adventure capitalist". Here is his Wikipedia profile: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Branson Here is the Wikipedia page for his space tourism company: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgin_Galactic Also worthy of a mention is Mark Shuttleworth, who was the world's second space tourist (and also the founder of the Ubuntu Foundation): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Shuttl…

Don't forget John Carmack - from Doom at Id softare to Armadillo Aerospace

Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy announced: 53 metric tons to low earth orbit

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At $1.11 billion per launch, though. SpaceX is promising $80-$125 million for half the payload.

I'm actually surprised things haven't gotten cheaper by more than a factor of 5 in half a century. (If anyone's wondering, $1.11 Billion is in 2011 dollars.) Does anyone know what the primary costs are? People, construction, raw materials, etc.?

I'm actually surprised things haven't gotten cheaper by more than a factor of 5 in half a century.

We're used to electronics getting cheaper as we find ways to make smaller and faster chips. We get change driven by Moore's law.

Getting to orbit is governed by simple lifting against gravity, and that hasn't changed at all. ( It's still 9.8 m/s^2 ) A Falcon rocket looks a lot like a Saturn rocket, so desipite a lot of ideas, a radically different and better design hasn't been commericialised yet.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless you extract fuel from the environment on your stop, it's a very bad idea to make a stop when you are shipping cargo to space. Any change in trajectory spends fuel. If you absolutely have to send the vehicle in pieces, you'd better send them to the lowest energy orbit, assemble them there and blast off. The ISS is not on a particularly useful orbit for this and the only reason I imagine to stop by would be to u…

I didn't mean to suggest the ISS in any way. I am talking about the various plans such as von Braun's Das Marsprojekt, where you assemble a fleet of (for example) 3720 ton Mars ships in orbit: http://www.thelivingmoon.com/41pegasus/01archives/Von_Braun_... It's not possible to launch a 3720 ton ship to Mars from the surface in one shot, it has to be assembled in space from parts and fuel shipped up in multiple launch…

Von Braun's plan, while spectacular, was never particularly feasible - it's more like colonizing Mars on the first trip than anything else. You don't need to send your crew in a 3000+ ton spacecraft towards Mars - you can send the crew on a smaller craft and send habitats, vehicles, supplies and all other stuff in advance in low-energy orbits (because food is less sensitive to radiation than astronauts). Von Braun's plan did not rely on automation (we can land a robot on Mars) and thus required every supply ship to be manned.

Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy announced: 53 metric tons to low earth orbit

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It might be the most powerful that can be used now, but it is not the most powerful ever ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energia could lift up to 100 tons to LEO in the tested configuration and up to 200 tons in Hercules configuration (which never tested though).

Re: SpaceX Falcon Heavy announced: 53 metric tons to low earth orbit

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post #91

I am totally blown away by how a private company has done this, especially at a cost much lower to what government programs have managed to achieve. I was recently watching a documentary about the early jet era and I remember being amazed at the innovation showed by those at De Havilland, Boeing, DC and thinking 'this would never happen again, everything is too expensive' - and here we have a private company getting…

You better not let a US military-industrial corporation like Boeing acquire SpaceX. Those low cost launches will disappear instantly.

That is a great point. I hope it is structured in such a way so that post-IPO (I assume there will be one) there would be a poison pill of some description to prevent a hostile takeover.

They have a number of government contracts now, in the value of billions of dollars. They have only raised $125M total, so they may not need to raise much in an IPO.

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