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Why Apple believes it’s an AI leader–and why it says critics have it all wrong

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Re: Why Apple believes it’s an AI leader–and why it says critics have it all wrong

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Post by IshKebab »

tedeh wrote: post #59
IshKebab wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What AI failures have Google had? Google Home is much better than Siri or Alexa. The camera feature in Google Translate works really well. Their new auto subtitles on Android work really well. Searching photos for objects works really well. The only thing I can think of is that think they demoed that would call restaurants to book them for you, but that was clearly highly experimental, and it's not like Apple has don…

https://github.com/elsamuko/Shirt-without-Stripes

Ok what's your point? Does Apple's search engine work for this query?

Re: Why Apple believes it’s an AI leader–and why it says critics have it all wrong

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Post by the-dude »

throwaway202020 wrote: post #81

You can't be AI leader when every AI leader is staying away from you by 10ft pole. When Ian Goodfellow joined Apple, there was literally rain of criticism on him from ending his career as researcher to bowing down to money. I don't know of any researcher who does want to have continued research career willing to join Apple. They simply don't allow that kind of freedom or publishing results. While Apple has some stron…

What is wrist rejection ?

Re: Why Apple believes it’s an AI leader–and why it says critics have it all wrong

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Post by sassypotato »

throwaway202020 wrote: post #90
bitxbit wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s an interesting take. Does Apple really lag? I think quote-unquote AI in SV has pretty much stalled in the past 3-4 years. There’s been a lot of volume in ML but nothing groundbreaking.

That's not true at all. AI is everywhere. When Gmail completes your sentence, auto-playlist gets created, camera detects a pet, you take night shot of a city, grammar suggestions are shown, wrong keystrokes auto-corrects, voice mail is transcribed, phone call is responded by quick text, your sleep is analysed, heart rate is monitored on runs, news articles gets recommended, spam email gets filtered, device idle detec…

None of those things was solved in the last 3-4 years though.

Some might now be done via AI, but is it done any noteceably better than 3-4 years ago? I certainly don't trust my camera to adjust itself, or the sleep analysis to be any good, or the article recommendation to not recommend based on outrage, or the spam filter to work at all.

Re: Why Apple believes it’s an AI leader–and why it says critics have it all wrong

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Post by IanCal »

throwaway202020 wrote: post #90
bitxbit wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s an interesting take. Does Apple really lag? I think quote-unquote AI in SV has pretty much stalled in the past 3-4 years. There’s been a lot of volume in ML but nothing groundbreaking.

That's not true at all. AI is everywhere. When Gmail completes your sentence, auto-playlist gets created, camera detects a pet, you take night shot of a city, grammar suggestions are shown, wrong keystrokes auto-corrects, voice mail is transcribed, phone call is responded by quick text, your sleep is analysed, heart rate is monitored on runs, news articles gets recommended, spam email gets filtered, device idle detec…

To compare that list to apple, my Mac often (but not predictably) complains that things like "the" isn't a word. Literally worse than a lookup against /use/dict.

Re: Why Apple believes it’s an AI leader–and why it says critics have it all wrong

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Post by raghavtoshniwal »

the-dude wrote: post #92
throwaway202020 wrote: post #81

You can't be AI leader when every AI leader is staying away from you by 10ft pole. When Ian Goodfellow joined Apple, there was literally rain of criticism on him from ending his career as researcher to bowing down to money. I don't know of any researcher who does want to have continued research career willing to join Apple. They simply don't allow that kind of freedom or publishing results. While Apple has some stron…

What is wrist rejection ?

Recognizing to disregard input from your wrist/palm when it's resting on the iPad surface whilst one is using Apple Pencil.

Re: Why Apple believes it’s an AI leader–and why it says critics have it all wrong

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Post by throwaway202020 »

sassypotato wrote: post #94
throwaway202020 wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not true at all. AI is everywhere. When Gmail completes your sentence, auto-playlist gets created, camera detects a pet, you take night shot of a city, grammar suggestions are shown, wrong keystrokes auto-corrects, voice mail is transcribed, phone call is responded by quick text, your sleep is analysed, heart rate is monitored on runs, news articles gets recommended, spam email gets filtered, device idle detec…

None of those things was solved in the last 3-4 years though. Some might now be done via AI, but is it done any noteceably better than 3-4 years ago? I certainly don't trust my camera to adjust itself, or the sleep analysis to be any good, or the article recommendation to not recommend based on outrage, or the spam filter to work at all.

That's the whole point. If you are still using classical solutions for these things that are years old, you are far behind best experience and the competition. As an example, noise removal in low light images has advanced tremendously each year with stunning gains. Same goes for grammar correction and auto-correct. You can see the difference in Siri and Google Assistant that is literally an order of magnitude. Siri even has trouble doing proper voice recognition and as Apple does not even know how to do search, its question answering skills shines only for highly curated tasks. First thing I've always done on my iPhones is to turn it off. However, Google had been amazingly improving these stuff every year. The end result is that while I do use iPhone, I tend to use mostly Google services and when something is only available on Android I get a tremendous itch to switch.

Re: Why Apple believes it’s an AI leader–and why it says critics have it all wrong

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Post by l33tman »

jointpdf wrote: post #34

Setting aside all the other work Apple is doing in this area, can someone explain why iMessage autocorrect is unacceptably bad (to put it diplomatically) in the era of weapons-grade language models? Its behavior is totally bizarre. It’s like an underpowered chess engine that makes flagrant blunders: capitalizing random words in the middle of a sentence (rock -> Rock), the context sensitivity of an actual rock, forcin…

To be fair, the android keyboards (like Gboard, googles own) are also bad. It's a tough problem for sure, but they haven't gotten better for the last 6-7 years at least, in my experience, and that is the point of the parent post I guess.

Re: Why Apple believes it’s an AI leader–and why it says critics have it all wrong

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Post by moandcompany »

throwaway202020 wrote: post #81

You can't be AI leader when every AI leader is staying away from you by 10ft pole. When Ian Goodfellow joined Apple, there was literally rain of criticism on him from ending his career as researcher to bowing down to money. I don't know of any researcher who does want to have continued research career willing to join Apple. They simply don't allow that kind of freedom or publishing results. While Apple has some stron…

I'll argue that AI leadership is not limited to just research, and an under appreciated aspect of leadership is making actual things useful for people (e.g. applying AI/ML technology to problems, and making those solutions common or ubiquitous).
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