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IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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One part of this rings true to me. I left Red Hat a bit over three years ago, and part of the reason was container-itis was sucking all of the oxygen away from everything I cared about there. The rest of the OP might well be BS, but that part seems very likely.

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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That's an argument reducing to absurdity. Every company has an long chain of transitive contractors, and for every company you can work all your way down to the poorest person on Earth, so it's meaningless. I could similarly blame you for the labor conditions of these people - you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions? The people that Apple employs are extraordinarily we…

> you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions? Yes, absolutely, to some degree — do you think I'm not? Even if you don't think so, do you think Apple isn't to some degree responsible for the working conditions of nearly a million employees within the company that it knowingly contracts out to to produce about 200 million iPhones a year? Follow up question: Which American p…

> Happy to get back to that original subject if you are.

Original point is:

- RedHat has nothing to do with Silicon Valley - geographically nor culturally

- RedHat isn't representative of typical Silicon Valley companies

- IBM is more of a 'Silicon Valley' company than Red Hat, because it's an old traditional government contractor

Therefore the original comment had it backwards, which is confusing.

If you mean 'liberal young open-source company' then say that! Because that absolutely isn't what 'Silicon Valley' means.

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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Enough with the digressions! An open-source-foundational company with roots in the microcomputer revolution, vs IBM? Is there anybody who doesn't see the difference? And no, IBM did not invent the microcomputer revolution - far, far from it. They put out an expensive iron boat anchor using other people's chips and designs that saddled the industry with obsolete choices for a decade. Just like you'd expect from a gian…

> roots in the microcomputer revolution, vs IBM You mean the IBM that invented the PC ? The distinction you're trying to make here is far from clear.

The personal computer was not invented by IBM:

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/06/did-ibm-invent-t...

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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post #93

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> roots in the microcomputer revolution, vs IBM You mean the IBM that invented the PC ? The distinction you're trying to make here is far from clear.

The personal computer was not invented by IBM: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/06/did-ibm-invent-t...

Yeah, I was around, there were others before the PC, but it was the one named as such that sold millions and popularized the term. There's no point to being pedantic and bitter about it.

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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I was referring specifically to the "culturally" part. The geographic difference between Silicon Valley and North Carolina is indisputable, but I'm curious about your take on the culture. I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc.

> I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc. I don't know any companies, anywhere in the world, that compensate, pamper, and accomodate their labor as much as Silicon Valley.

What about the company known as Finance? Or Medicine?

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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> I see a lot of similarities between Republicans and Silicon Valley entrepreneurs, e.g. anti-regulation stances, anti-labor stances, etc. I don't know any companies, anywhere in the world, that compensate, pamper, and accomodate their labor as much as Silicon Valley.

What about the company known as Finance? Or Medicine?

My peers in finance are expected to be at their desks in the city twelve hours a day wearing a suit, and they earn a basic salary for it.

My peers in medicine work 24-hour shifts and earn a quarter of what they do in Silicon Valley and the only catering they get is a dirty microwave.

People in Silicon Valley are driven to work, work eight hours, get three catered meals, and take home more money.

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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> you paid Apple or whoever to make your phone so are you responsible for their conditions? Yes, absolutely, to some degree — do you think I'm not? Even if you don't think so, do you think Apple isn't to some degree responsible for the working conditions of nearly a million employees within the company that it knowingly contracts out to to produce about 200 million iPhones a year? Follow up question: Which American p…

> Happy to get back to that original subject if you are. Original point is: - RedHat has nothing to do with Silicon Valley - geographically nor culturally - RedHat isn't representative of typical Silicon Valley companies - IBM is more of a 'Silicon Valley' company than Red Hat, because it's an old traditional government contractor Therefore the original comment had it backwards, which is confusing. If you mean 'liber…

> If you mean 'liberal young open-source company' then say that

No. Most people are perfectly capable of understanding informal, non-literal definitions of words. And I see no need reason to bow down and change easy to understand phases, that nobody is confused about, in order to satisfy people who would basically have to have some sort of extremely hard to overcome language barriers or disorder such that they are not able to understand very common things that people say.

If someone claims to not understand what someone means, when they use informal, but common, words such as "silicon valley company", then it is very likely that this person either has some language problems (IE, they are just learning English as a 2nd language), or has some sort very serious autistic disorder such that they are unable to understand non literal definitions because of their mental disorder, or they are instead just being a troll.

And none of these reasons are a good enough reason for people to completely change how they talk in every day life, all the time, when they are not dealing with such individuals.

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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A giant corporation buys a Silicon Valley company, the result is generally carnage. The old-boy marketing-driven process-heavy big company will roll out decisions like a bowling ball careening across a cafeteria, knocking over tables and chairs and sending people running for cover. Since big companies are driven by managers not engineers, and the managers are always, always from the bigger company, the decisions are…

>Since big companies are driven by managers not engineers, and the managers are always, always from the bigger company, the decisions are perceived as clueless. Not only that. If they had a clue they wouldn't have needed to acquire the company in the first place.

Louis V. Gerstner, Jr. was IBM CEO when Red Hat was founded in 1993 (plus or minus 6 months because I am lazy and I don't want to look up specific dates). Having a clue and having a time machine are very different things.

Re: IBM Is Already Gutting Red Hat and Firing Employees Without Warning

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The personal computer was not invented by IBM: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/06/did-ibm-invent-t...

Yeah, I was around, there were others before the PC, but it was the one named as such that sold millions and popularized the term. There's no point to being pedantic and bitter about it.

I'm just pointing out the truth, no bitterness intended.
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