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Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

#91

Post by bananaface »

numpad0 wrote: post #14
darthoctopus wrote: post #2

community-contributed subtitles are an essential part of the appeal of YouTube for me, particularly with non-English videos from small operations who may not have the resources to provide quality transcriptions/translations. I don't think this functionality was as little-used as the support post represents. Clearly more options exist for managing spam than just shutting down the feature altogether.

Is i18n deteriorating at a global scale? I’m seeing more and more nonsense machine translations and systemic errors in manual translations over few years in my language. Once I’ve seen a story about a corporate turning down “should” and “should not” swapped in documentation as a non reproducible issue, other times I see semi-sensical expressions that has 1:n relationships between English and Translated that needs con…

I don't feel this way at all. Videos have automatic subtitles which you can automatically translate into the language of your choice, speech recognition is so good that the right tool will let you program with it, text to speech is a button-click away for basically any Web page (all I need is an extension). Post-processing for color blindness is amazing, left-to-right languages render readably on a consistent basis. OCR is progressing dramatically and we're starting to see projects focused at individual users, and automatic image tagging gives textual descriptions of a huge amount of picture content.

We're at a point where a lot of these tools haven't matured in their consumer implementations, but that's coming. It's just a matter of time.

That's all ignoring the soft accessibility of things like iPads that have made computing accessible to Grandma.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

#92

Post by spc476 »

reaperducer wrote: post #20
dodobirdlord wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They’re getting hammered from the left for insufficient moderation of content, and from the right for overly aggressive moderation of content. It’s a lose-lose where the only real option is to remove extraneous features that enable users to upload content visible to others. Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate.

Even if there was a standard of moderation that would satisfy everyone, there’s too much to moderate. If only Google had a half a trillion dollars to spend on something other that spying on people. And if only there were 35 million people out of work. But, alas, poor sweet simple Google cannot possibly lie in the bed it made.

Some math shows that can't work. Half a trillion to 35 million is US$15,000 per person.

For one year. And people will complain that US$15,000 is not enough to live on.

What happens in year two?

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

#93

Post by system2 »

LockAndLol wrote: post #89
system2 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better question: Which one of these even have a community?

Be the change you want to see. If all y'all do is sit around and complain that there isn't a community instead of joining the small community that already exists and growing it, well big surprise, it won't grow (at least not as quickly).

I personally don't care about youtube or other video communities. To me, youtube itself is good enough. It's been serving its purpose since the first day I visited it. I'd care less if they are monopoly or not.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

#94

Post by nullc »

bananaface wrote: post #91
numpad0 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is i18n deteriorating at a global scale? I’m seeing more and more nonsense machine translations and systemic errors in manual translations over few years in my language. Once I’ve seen a story about a corporate turning down “should” and “should not” swapped in documentation as a non reproducible issue, other times I see semi-sensical expressions that has 1:n relationships between English and Translated that needs con…

I don't feel this way at all. Videos have automatic subtitles which you can automatically translate into the language of your choice, speech recognition is so good that the right tool will let you program with it, text to speech is a button-click away for basically any Web page (all I need is an extension). Post-processing for color blindness is amazing, left-to-right languages render readably on a consistent basis.…

> left-to-right languages render readably on a consistent basis

‫os epoh dluohs I.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

#95

Post by MrCzar »

henrikschroder wrote: post #78
darthoctopus wrote: post #2

community-contributed subtitles are an essential part of the appeal of YouTube for me, particularly with non-English videos from small operations who may not have the resources to provide quality transcriptions/translations. I don't think this functionality was as little-used as the support post represents. Clearly more options exist for managing spam than just shutting down the feature altogether.

> I don't think this functionality was as little-used as the support post represents. I've used it a little bit, and been watching a bunch of content that relied on it. That said, creating subtitles with their tools was an absolute shit experience. I've done my fair share of subtitling using other programs, and it's clear that whoever made the interface on YT hasn't really used the real deal, and doesn't understand w…

Could you recommend a tool that does subtitles and generates a .srt afterwards, from your experience?

I have a friend that translates everything from English for his grandmother, so she can watch movies that she does not understand, but he does it by hand in a video editing program. Would love to help him out.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

#96

Post by Tainnor »

numpad0 wrote: post #14
darthoctopus wrote: post #2

community-contributed subtitles are an essential part of the appeal of YouTube for me, particularly with non-English videos from small operations who may not have the resources to provide quality transcriptions/translations. I don't think this functionality was as little-used as the support post represents. Clearly more options exist for managing spam than just shutting down the feature altogether.

Is i18n deteriorating at a global scale? I’m seeing more and more nonsense machine translations and systemic errors in manual translations over few years in my language. Once I’ve seen a story about a corporate turning down “should” and “should not” swapped in documentation as a non reproducible issue, other times I see semi-sensical expressions that has 1:n relationships between English and Translated that needs con…

I don't feel that it's deteriorating as much as that tech in general never properly understood how to do good localisation.

There was a time when many apps I downloaded were apparently machine-translated in a very bad way, so much that it was almost impossible to understand what was meant. That hasn't occurred to me in a while now, which means that I either download higher quality apps, google has stopped pushing the autotranslation feature or people have naturally migrated away from it...

in general, I feel that tech, maybe due to being so overwhelmingly from the US, has very poor support for things like multilingualism, which is in fact more common than not across the world (the US being an outlier traditionally - and even there, I think the influence of Spanish is growing).

For example:

- On some streaming/movie purchasing services, it can be hard to get a movie in the original version and not a localised one

- It's impossible on Android to have different apps use different languages (unless the app itself allows for it), which would not only fix the issue mentioned above with the badly translated apps, but also be really helpful e.g. for language learners

- It took Google Maps years to add a feature where, if you start typing a street name and it suggests a street, it gives you the option of directly filling in the street number too (e.g., I'm typing "Foob" and it suggests "Foobarstraße, 11111 Berlin", but giving me the option to directly type the street number before the comma). My hypothesis for why this took so long to add is that people from the US were totally oblivious to the need for this feature, since in the US, the street number comes before the street name and people could just type "123 Foob" and get the suggestion for the full address

- There is simply no way in the Play Store (and I believe in the App Store it's similar?) to see reviews in another language than the one from your store. This makes no sense for me, for many apps there are very few if any German reviews, but I'd still like to see English ones. I think it's even worse for app developers, although maybe they have some separate way of seeing that? Amazon doesn't have that problem btw.

- Also, a pet peeve of mine: using country flags for languages. Yeah, nope.

and so on ...

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

#97

Post by Tainnor »

bananaface wrote: post #91
numpad0 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is i18n deteriorating at a global scale? I’m seeing more and more nonsense machine translations and systemic errors in manual translations over few years in my language. Once I’ve seen a story about a corporate turning down “should” and “should not” swapped in documentation as a non reproducible issue, other times I see semi-sensical expressions that has 1:n relationships between English and Translated that needs con…

I don't feel this way at all. Videos have automatic subtitles which you can automatically translate into the language of your choice, speech recognition is so good that the right tool will let you program with it, text to speech is a button-click away for basically any Web page (all I need is an extension). Post-processing for color blindness is amazing, left-to-right languages render readably on a consistent basis.…

Automatic subtitles for videos in a different language are basically a joke currently.

I agree that we're progressing fast, but fully automated machine translation is IMHO still lightyears away (if at all feasible). And to automate subtitle generation in a foreign language, you first need to have speech to text, which is also still error-prone, so now you have two sources of errors.

We're seeing the uncanny valley problem: By now, things like machine translation are so good for simple use cases, that they're being aggressively pushed, and at first it may even appear correct / as if it was done by a human, but then suddenly the translation becomes nonsensical and weird. Even for the well-received deepl, it's still surprisingly easy to give it some text that it really struggles with.

Incidentally, I remember attending a lecture about 12 years ago by the then new professor of NLP who was talking about his success with using machine aided human translation of subtitles from Swedish into Norwegian. Granted, a lot may have improved in 12 years, but it still struck me as impressive that even in languages that closely related, the best they could hope for in a research project was machine aided translation.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

#98

Post by gcpwnd »

numpad0 wrote: post #14
darthoctopus wrote: post #2

community-contributed subtitles are an essential part of the appeal of YouTube for me, particularly with non-English videos from small operations who may not have the resources to provide quality transcriptions/translations. I don't think this functionality was as little-used as the support post represents. Clearly more options exist for managing spam than just shutting down the feature altogether.

Is i18n deteriorating at a global scale? I’m seeing more and more nonsense machine translations and systemic errors in manual translations over few years in my language. Once I’ve seen a story about a corporate turning down “should” and “should not” swapped in documentation as a non reproducible issue, other times I see semi-sensical expressions that has 1:n relationships between English and Translated that needs con…

Auto translation is probably a big deal for yt/google long-term. If they maintain/achieve dominance in this field they're practically the only one to have detailed insight and anlysis about video content. Fostering an alternative market would be negative and cause more uproar as soon they expand their auto translation services.

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

#99

Post by Tainnor »

Y_Y wrote: post #85
numpad0 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is i18n deteriorating at a global scale? I’m seeing more and more nonsense machine translations and systemic errors in manual translations over few years in my language. Once I’ve seen a story about a corporate turning down “should” and “should not” swapped in documentation as a non reproducible issue, other times I see semi-sensical expressions that has 1:n relationships between English and Translated that needs con…

Even trying to use popular software in a relatively big language like Spanish still inevitably ends up producing lots of untranslated strings (or worse, semi-translated nonsense). I always set my software to en-us, even though that mightn't be my preferred language or dialect, because it's the only way I can be sure the developers actually checked it.

I've seen that too and I simply don't understand that. Why do some people half-translate an app? Did they just hardcode some of the copy by accident?

Re: YouTube: Community contributions will be discontinued across all channels

#100

Post by iagovar »

darthoctopus wrote: post #2

community-contributed subtitles are an essential part of the appeal of YouTube for me, particularly with non-English videos from small operations who may not have the resources to provide quality transcriptions/translations. I don't think this functionality was as little-used as the support post represents. Clearly more options exist for managing spam than just shutting down the feature altogether.

There was no option to disable them, and if you are multilingual it's a PITA. Sometimes I became so annoyed that I closed YT.

It's not the same effort for my brain to keep up listening to spanish, english, french or portuguese. And I WANT TO KNOW what I'm getting into. If I want subtitles or translations I'll activate it myself, thanks.

Sometimes I browse for a topic and I need a native POV out of it, but it became so difficult because YT just treats you like if you were stupid so yo loose time going back and forth.

IDK, maybe there was some option to manage it, but it was very well hidden in menus that I couldn't find it.

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