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Re: Remote First at Quora

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Post by wun0ne »

iagooar wrote: post #10

Working remotely has a very high cost, but it only gets visible in the long term. Working from home isolates you. There is no way around this. You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office. For the company, people that work remote start drifting away from the company vision and spirit - you get an army of people working individually most of the time,…

> Working from home isolates you. There is no way around this. You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office.

Since social distancing guidelines in my country have been relaxed and I've still been working from home, I find I have had more time and incentive to cultivate relationships with people that I actually want to spend time with and who have similar hobbies and interests as me rather than those who I am forced to spend time with in the office.

Re: Remote First at Quora

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Post by draw_down »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #13

Remote is the new cool word for off-shoring. Companies don’t decide to radically change their work structure just because it seems like a nice idea. If you expect tech companies to keep paying SV salaries after they shift to remote-first, you’re in for a rude surprise.

Yep, ultimately this will become about labor costs (to the extent that it isn’t already). Sooner or later bean counters will realize, hey, I have a great idea that will save the company lots of money!

Re: Remote First at Quora

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Post by dzonga »

how does on the worst pseudo-knowledge spam marketing websites on the internet make money. I avoid qoura heavily, and I feel other people do too ? or maybe quoura is a rich man's hobby ?

Re: Remote First at Quora

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Post by jasonwatkinspdx »

iagooar wrote: post #10

Working remotely has a very high cost, but it only gets visible in the long term. Working from home isolates you. There is no way around this. You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office. For the company, people that work remote start drifting away from the company vision and spirit - you get an army of people working individually most of the time,…

It's totally reasonable to like a physical office and all it brings, but the above is a bit slanted.

I've worked remote in various forms since the late 90s. I've formed very important friendships with people halfway around the world I'd have never met in a local office. There's more than one way to socialize, and online socializing has some advantages too, not just drawbacks.

Re: Remote First at Quora

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Post by agumonkey »

iagooar wrote: post #10

Working remotely has a very high cost, but it only gets visible in the long term. Working from home isolates you. There is no way around this. You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office. For the company, people that work remote start drifting away from the company vision and spirit - you get an army of people working individually most of the time,…

I just spent 15 minutes with old women at my job. It was all about how much interpersonal issues they had during their career, the backstabbing etc etc

Having suffered from this beyond reasonable levels I assure you, isolation would yield way more benefits than issues.

Now I'm not an extremist and being able to deal with some level of office politics to get a few more bonds is neat. But in my case, work sociology is synonym for hell.

Re: Remote First at Quora

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Post by bitcoinofficial »

silveroriole wrote: post #77
iagooar wrote: post #10

Working remotely has a very high cost, but it only gets visible in the long term. Working from home isolates you. There is no way around this. You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office. For the company, people that work remote start drifting away from the company vision and spirit - you get an army of people working individually most of the time,…

> I have some friend who have been working at a company who went remote-first and after 5 years they do not feel identified with the company anymore. It's just a job. You could work for someone else and you wouldn't even notice. I think feeling “identified with your company” is kind of pathological. If remote work gets more people to realise it’s just a job, it’s not their company, and they shouldn’t work themselves…

I may be wrong, but I think what was meant is a feeling of belonging to a community and a feeling of togetherness.

Re: Remote First at Quora

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Post by liveoneggs »

iagooar wrote: post #10

Working remotely has a very high cost, but it only gets visible in the long term. Working from home isolates you. There is no way around this. You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office. For the company, people that work remote start drifting away from the company vision and spirit - you get an army of people working individually most of the time,…

some of this is true (being lonely and things) but working from home is simply the bee's knees if you have children. It's literally the best arrangement you can have aside from on-prem childcare in your office, which is probably about equal, but only good for the youngest children.

Once you hit kindergarten -- I am the one who picks up my kid from the bus, walks her home from school when she has after school activities, make it to every little performance/play/whatever, eats lunch with her at school every so often, etc. I'm not taking hours out of my work day to do these things -- Mostly just coffee breaks that I would take in the office.

My own childhood was being in full time (7am - 5:30pm) school/care.

Re: Remote First at Quora

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Post by HumblyTossed »

iagooar wrote: post #10

Working remotely has a very high cost, but it only gets visible in the long term. Working from home isolates you. There is no way around this. You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office. For the company, people that work remote start drifting away from the company vision and spirit - you get an army of people working individually most of the time,…

> You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office.

Yes, but there are other ways to build relationships. Get involved in your community, donate your time, etc.

> I have some friend who have been working at a company who went remote-first and after 5 years they do not feel identified with the company anymore. It's just a job. You could work for someone else and you wouldn't even notice.

That's a feature not a bug. It is just a job. Look, I enjoy my job. I love the product I'm building. I like the people I work with. Being remote for over a half decade now doesn't change that. But, it's just a job. My life is so much more than just what I do for money.

> Also, working from home is only as convenient as your life situation allows it. Have kids? Bad luck. Live in the city because you enjoy city life? Sorry you have to convert you bedroom into your office during the day because you can't afford to have an additional room. You are a people's person and feel more energetic and productive when working with others face to face? Well, sorry, your team is mostly remote.

Huh? We don't have kids but we do foster and we have room for the kids and an office for my wife and I (we do have to share that). We see plenty of people outside of work that seeing co-workers in person doesn't matter.

> Please, let us just top playing down the importance of the office.

How about we stop with one size fits all?

> It is important and it has tons of benefits for the team, as opposed to the benefits for the individuals.

I'm a very productive member of my team. I'm a SME on our most important product. People know they can contact me when they need and I'll have solutions. I'm hugely beneficial to my team (not really trying to toot a horn, just making a point), and nobody has ever once in all the years I've been here complained about me being remote.

Re: Remote First at Quora

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Post by mike_ivanov »

iagooar wrote: post #10

Working remotely has a very high cost, but it only gets visible in the long term. Working from home isolates you. There is no way around this. You lose the one huge opportunity in adult life for making new relationships - and that's at work, in the office. For the company, people that work remote start drifting away from the company vision and spirit - you get an army of people working individually most of the time,…

> benefits for the team, as opposed to the benefits for the individuals.

As if it was a zero-sum game.

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