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Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by luckylion »

paulgb wrote: post #84
luckylion wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those are different things though. You can most likely write whatever you want to link to on Facebook, so they're not really censoring speech. They censor some off-platform links.

I could see an argument for this if: 1. They limited themselves to blocking content that was decidedly harmful (phishing sites, malware, etc.), AND 2. They were transparent about what links they blocked and why. It seems that neither was the case here.

The limitation might be there, but bans are usually not surgical. If you have a thousand subdomains of some domain hosting spam, you'll likely block the domain if it's not a major player like wordpress.com.

Transparency would be nice indeed. The argument I keep hearing against it is that they believe it would help the spammers.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by ssivark »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #76
corywatilo wrote: post #51

The same thing happened to my domain name about a month ago. (I also posted about it here.) This is happening more and more frequently, and the fact they block entire domains rather than a specific subdomain is really poor design. I finally got it unblocked, but only thanks to a former colleague (engineer) who now works at Facebook. If that didn't work, my next step was going to be filing a lawsuit, just to try to ge…

It seems likely that what's happening here is some combination of: 1) Spammers using one domain and multiple sub-domains 2) A poorly calibrated ML model for spam. It is worth noting that FB get probably the world's largest amount of spammers, fraudsters and general bad people due to the fact that they have an absurd amount of users. Honestly, though, if this stays on HN it will get fixed, but it's deeply concerning t…

Appreciate the technical knowledge in your comment, but simply put, OP’s response to Facebook ought to be: “Not my problem; get your shit together.”

We should collectively start holding platforms to higher expectations; they certainly have the resources to do a better job.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by missblit »

lucb1e wrote: post #69
geoah wrote: post #4

Interesting place, never heard of it before. > Dreamwidth Studios is an Open Source social networking, content management, and personal publishing platform. Our mission in life is to make it easy for you to share the things you make, and easy to find the people who are making the things you want to enjoy. > We have all the features you've come to love in social networking sites, including privacy and security feature…

Clicking one of the random buttons, it looked like Tumblr to me except it supports freedom of expression. I guess now we know why Tumblr's new parent corp chose to censor nsfw content... (Unrelated: whenever I read something about Tumblr, like its Wikipedia page just now, I'm always surprised to find it in the present tense, not "Tumblr was" but "Tumblr is". To me, it's just dead with the censorship, I never see it b…

If anything dreamwidth is closer to livejournal. Livejournal predates tubmlr by years and years, but there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for reasons I don't fully remember.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by heavyset_go »

ldoughty wrote: post #73

Adding my own story to the article... I get where they are coming from... I had to deal with the Facebook developer platform support recently, it was (still is) a nightmare... We only have 100 or so Facebook users, but dealing with their app approval process, review process, and repedative re-review process, has probably cost me 4 weeks of "maintenance" work in the last year to keep OAuth working for them.. And here'…

Thanks for sharing this, I was considering using Facebook for OAuth login, but now I'm not.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by emiliovesprini »

scarface74 wrote: post #72
spacebear wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 2020, Facebook, Google, Twitter, and Cloudflare are bigger gatekeepers of free speech than any government.

any government? Tell that to people who live in China, N. Korea, or any country controlled by a theocracy. Even in the US some states ban doctors from talking about abortion and/or force doctors to give women seeking an abortion false information.

Okay but replace that with most governments and the point still stands.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by tzs »

corywatilo wrote: post #51

The same thing happened to my domain name about a month ago. (I also posted about it here.) This is happening more and more frequently, and the fact they block entire domains rather than a specific subdomain is really poor design. I finally got it unblocked, but only thanks to a former colleague (engineer) who now works at Facebook. If that didn't work, my next step was going to be filing a lawsuit, just to try to ge…

> The best resolution may be through Ads billing, by trying to post an ad and reporting a problem displaying an ad

Something kind of like that worked at the job I a few years ago.

A large provider of free email that also runs an ad network (not Google or Microsoft) once kept flagging my employer's emails as spam. The only emails we sent were receipts to people who had purchased stuff from us, an email with installation and activation instructions to new purchasers, and replies to support tickets.

We'd go through their procedure to report false positives, and anywhere from a few days to a week later our mails would start going through...and then a few weeks later they'd start getting blocked again.

This finally ended permanently when our guy who managed ad spending called up our rep at the email provider, and asked something along the lines of "Could you explain to me why the fuck I'm spending $X thousands dollars a week on ads there to acquire new customers, and then you block us from sending those customers receipt and instructions!?".

The ad rep put him hold for a moment, and then returned with their head of IT conferenced in. The ad rep explained the problem to the IT head. The IT head then conferenced in the leader of the anti-spam team and told him to add our domain to an exception list so that nothing we sent could ever be classified as spam. The anti-spam team guy said it would be done in 10 minutes.

We never had a problem after that.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by meristem »

missblit wrote: post #93
lucb1e wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clicking one of the random buttons, it looked like Tumblr to me except it supports freedom of expression. I guess now we know why Tumblr's new parent corp chose to censor nsfw content... (Unrelated: whenever I read something about Tumblr, like its Wikipedia page just now, I'm always surprised to find it in the present tense, not "Tumblr was" but "Tumblr is". To me, it's just dead with the censorship, I never see it b…

If anything dreamwidth is closer to livejournal. Livejournal predates tubmlr by years and years, but there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for reasons I don't fully remember.

Initial migration: LiveJournal was purchased by a Russian company. Users did not believe their data would be safe.

Re: Facebook has blocked Dreamwidth

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Post by lucb1e »

missblit wrote: post #93
lucb1e wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clicking one of the random buttons, it looked like Tumblr to me except it supports freedom of expression. I guess now we know why Tumblr's new parent corp chose to censor nsfw content... (Unrelated: whenever I read something about Tumblr, like its Wikipedia page just now, I'm always surprised to find it in the present tense, not "Tumblr was" but "Tumblr is". To me, it's just dead with the censorship, I never see it b…

If anything dreamwidth is closer to livejournal. Livejournal predates tubmlr by years and years, but there was a migration from livejournal to dreamwidth for reasons I don't fully remember.

> dreamwidth is closer to livejournal

I've never been on livejournal, no idea what that looks like. I saw elsewhere in the thread it's a fork from Livejournal's code; it just reminded me of Tumblr.

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