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Facebook's employees reckon with the social network they've built

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Re: Facebook's employees reckon with the social network they've built

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Facebook's famously tight-knit and tight-lipped engineering organization has become increasingly leaky in the past couple of years, as posts and data make it to the press with surprising regularity. What changed? Is it morale? Or something that happens at scale? Does the rate of leaks say anything about the health of the company?

What changed is that people joining Facebook as employees now likely have preexisting intentions to leak information.

Re: Facebook's employees reckon with the social network they've built

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post #50

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"BBSes and forums" Observe flamewars on BBSs and forums tended to drive people away, thus tending to confine them through natural mechanisms. Our current systems encourage and fan them, and by profiting from them, create a system that sustains them indefinitely instead of naturally isolating them to just the people who actively want to participate. As someone who has a low-grade hobby of kind of keeping track of this…

I kinda wonder about just having a no politics policy. Allow user reports... If N users report a post for being political, or it triggers some regex, penalize the post in some way. Facebook doesn't have to be about politics; Instagram wasn't for a long time, but with the onset of the BLM movement, I've seen my timeline filled to the brim with politics, and at one point, people were even saying that no one was even al…

Likely to produce a weird world where a bunch of demonstrators get shot downtown and .. you never hear about it.

Re: Facebook's employees reckon with the social network they've built

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post #34

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Does the Big Bang Theory encourage violence against creationists? I don’t ask that question seriously, just to point out that generalising things isn’t always useful. For example, “hate speech” is a defined term and the Big Bang theory ain’t it.

In one of the controversies discussed in the article, Facebook banned an ad on the grounds that an upside-down red triangle constitutes hate speech - it's "a triangle symbol used by Nazis to identify political prisoners", you see. So I'm not sure the concept is quite as well-defined as you're suggesting.

Except that is defined, that's a thing that's real, and the upside down red triangle specifically was used to identify political prisoners of the Nazi party, like liberals, socialists, and unionized laborers.[1]

I guess I'm not sure of your point, because to me, the use of the symbol, in a political context, and especially in the context of a polemic populist political campaign, is problematic, regardless of whether or not the Trump campaign or whoever backed that advertisement knew what it was.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_concentration_camp_badge

Re: Facebook's employees reckon with the social network they've built

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> a post from President Donald Trump that seemingly called for violence against people protesting the police killing of George Floyd.

This seems very unlikely, and there's no link or screenshot of the actual post to support the statement. Twitter has previously taken statements that laws will be enforced as 'calls to violence' so it wouldn't be surprising if the same thing is occurring here.

Re: Facebook's employees reckon with the social network they've built

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I have been wondering why Facebook has become the only platform that tolerates right-wing speech. The other platforms took the convenient route and kicked out right-wing voices.

Why exactly is Facebook risking both bad press and a revolt from its overwhelmingly progressive employees?

Re: Facebook's employees reckon with the social network they've built

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post #59

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Non of the solutions China comes up with is worth to discuss?

I've found it even of little use to bring up frameworks of other Western countries. I once got a lot of angry replies because I brought up the German approach of mostly just tackling hate speech and having independent non-profit fact-checking organisations label and correct posts, which is about as non-invasive as it gets while trying to deal with the problem, still got a ton of responses about censorship and free sp…

Those concepts of "truth" and "fact" may feel like absolutes but are a product of the observer. When people with similar beliefs/cultures/backgrounds/goals observe the same thing then it's easy to agree on what's true and what's not true. In general I think it's not a good look to tell somebody that the world they perceive is untrue, and that's why I support free speech as basic a human right :)

Re: Facebook's employees reckon with the social network they've built

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post #42

This long article doesnt address the most critical point. If employees have an ethical issue with working there, why don't they quit? This isn't a new dillemma. People working for tabacco companies have always been in the same boat.

> This long article doesnt address the most critical point. > If employees have an ethical issue with working there, why don't they quit? The article opens with a story of someone who quit.

It took him 9 years of collecting a fat paycheck and enabling Facebook to find his moral compass.

Is it wrong to be skeptical of these millionaire developers who ride off into the sunset to retire but leave a final "oh btw, lots of problematic stuff at my former employer" message?

Re: Facebook's employees reckon with the social network they've built

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In one of the controversies discussed in the article, Facebook banned an ad on the grounds that an upside-down red triangle constitutes hate speech - it's "a triangle symbol used by Nazis to identify political prisoners", you see. So I'm not sure the concept is quite as well-defined as you're suggesting.

Except that is defined, that's a thing that's real, and the upside down red triangle specifically was used to identify political prisoners of the Nazi party, like liberals, socialists, and unionized laborers.[1] I guess I'm not sure of your point, because to me, the use of the symbol, in a political context, and especially in the context of a polemic populist political campaign, is problematic, regardless of whether…

The question isn't whether it's problematic in some generic sense, but whether it's hate speech or a call to violence. I'm extraordinarily skeptical that anyone sees a red triangle and thinks "ah, I understand, the triangle is telling me I should go engage in political violence".

Re: Facebook's employees reckon with the social network they've built

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This long article doesnt address the most critical point. If employees have an ethical issue with working there, why don't they quit? This isn't a new dillemma. People working for tabacco companies have always been in the same boat.

> If employees have an ethical issue with working there, why don't they quit?

$ > Ethics

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