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How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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The article seems fairly problematic. https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/b0so4h/how_... EDIT: Well this is proving to be a pretty wild ride. As far as I can tell both this post and its replies (by TheAdamAndChe and ebg13) are getting voted down, which is very surprising to me (I would've expected either/or not both). That leads me to believe there's something wrong with my link. Does HN know something a…

Please don't go on about downvotes like that. It's tediously meta and breaks the site rules: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html .

My apologies, all the more so because this is something I dislike in comments myself.

I was genuinely surprised by this though in a way I haven't been by previous downvotes. "Everyone" so to speak were getting down votes and the only common factor I could find was the link itself, which as far as I could tell was entirely unproblematic unless it was referencing some studies which were widely acknowledged to be bad scholarship.

Regardless I'll take the humbling reminder to read the guidelines and my own comments more closely.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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>Do you have any evidence that those murders occur _within_ their communities by people raised like this? No, do you have any evidence that they are NOT raised like this?

The Inuit are around 4% of Canada's Indigenous population, so I'd be surprised if many of the people committing those murders were raised with this particular traditional Inuit anger-management strategy.

"Inuit make up only 5% of Canada’s population, but in 2018 they made up 22% of the country’s homicide victims."

>so I'd be surprised if many of the people committing those murders were raised with this particular traditional Inuit anger-management strategy.

So what do you wanna really say with that?

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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When you stigmatize suspension of disbelief (myths, stories), you setup the child to chronically suspend belief. You get a person who can only value what can be pointed to and measured. A gullible person is bad, but the other extreme is no better.

Do you have a citation for that last claim?

Not the OP, but in the book Impro, Keith Johnstone strongly lamented the suppression of imagination in and by grown-ups. He wrote: "Most children can operate in a creative way until they are eleven or twelve, when suddenly they lose their spontaneity, and produce imitations of 'adult art'." He cites schools suppressing imagination as a factor, saying that, "The research so far shows that imaginative children are disliked by their teachers."

I feel that suspension of disbelief and imagination are closely related, as a lack of suspension of disbelief will close you off to many avenues of imagination.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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Any discussion of parenting and Native peoples needs to include the context of the Indian Residential Schools. The state (Canada and the US) would force Native children to attend boarding schools with restricted parental visitation rights (legally compulsory in Canada 1894-1948, and de-facto compulsory for the 20 years before and after). The schools would punish the children for 'acting Native' (wearing traditional c…

Hmmmmm now we're getting somewhere if this is the heart of the objections. However, this seems like it's covered by > Also, the Inuit have changed a lot recently as they get influenced by European culture (but NPR did their interview with Inuit this year, who talk as if they're describing the present). Granted I'm sure you'd find this far too lenient in terms of phrasing, something more like "Traditional Inuit cultur…

> Nonetheless the empirical observations made in this article seem to be in direct opposition to multiple other sources of data we have. That seems bad. More specifically it suggests the article is suffering greatly from selection bias and its conclusions are therefore suspect.

Yes, the article is overly broad if you take it to mean 'all Inuit', but I don't think that's a reasonable reading of the article. This is a 'feel-good' story talking about ideals of child raising in an Inuit town. Scott objects to this narrative, so he collects negative evidence to debunk the article. He isn't picking neutral counter-evidence, he is exclusively saying that Inuit abuse their kids and each other:

- "protesting Canada's anti-child-abuse policy": this cannot be discussed without the context of history mass child-separation by the Government.

- Interviews of "how things were in the traditional old days.": This book interviewed elders in 2000, which means they grew up in the Residential School era. The white culture approved of corporal punishment at the time, and the residential schools used most corporal punishment than average. Scott is focusing just on the existence of spanking, and is ignoring the ideals the interviewees express.

> Ilisapi: Some of us tended to take out our frustration on our children when it was our husband who we were angry at. Even if the child had done nothing wrong, if he made one small mistake, we took out our frustration on him. If children were treated like that, they could be damaged. It was their spouse they were angry at in the first place but they took their frustration out on their child. That is not the way to treat a child. It is not good.

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> Tipuula: Yes. When they are finished crying and are feeling better, that is a good time to talk to them. You need to explain the situation. Let them know you do not like spanking them but what they did required discipline. Once they understand that, they will feel closer to the mother or the father. Things are completely different today. We only reprimand our children verbally because we are not allowed to use physical discipline with our children anymore.

- "(some of these are adult abuse statistics rather than child abuse statistics, but if adult Inuit never get angry or act impulsively, why are they doing all this abusing?)": This is straight-up character assassination. This is the point which I most object to, not because the abuse statistics are wrong, but because it is being used to discredit the ideals of a community.

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Inuit are around 4% of Canada's Indigenous population, so I'd be surprised if many of the people committing those murders were raised with this particular traditional Inuit anger-management strategy.

"Inuit make up only 5% of Canada’s population, but in 2018 they made up 22% of the country’s homicide victims." >so I'd be surprised if many of the people committing those murders were raised with this particular traditional Inuit anger-management strategy. So what do you wanna really say with that?

The article you linked talks about indigenous people being murdered, not committing murders.

So what do you wanna really say with that?

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Inuit make up only 5% of Canada’s population, but in 2018 they made up 22% of the country’s homicide victims." >so I'd be surprised if many of the people committing those murders were raised with this particular traditional Inuit anger-management strategy. So what do you wanna really say with that?

The article you linked talks about indigenous people being murdered, not committing murders. So what do you wanna really say with that?

Murdered by white Canadian males...that's what you wanna say?

https://www.vice.com/en_ca/article/ppvx8g/a-closer-look-at-n...

Re: How Inuit parents teach kids to control their anger (2019)

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post #15

The article seems fairly problematic. https://www.reddit.com/r/slatestarcodex/comments/b0so4h/how_... EDIT: Well this is proving to be a pretty wild ride. As far as I can tell both this post and its replies (by TheAdamAndChe and ebg13) are getting voted down, which is very surprising to me (I would've expected either/or not both). That leads me to believe there's something wrong with my link. Does HN know something a…

Any discussion of parenting and Native peoples needs to include the context of the Indian Residential Schools. The state (Canada and the US) would force Native children to attend boarding schools with restricted parental visitation rights (legally compulsory in Canada 1894-1948, and de-facto compulsory for the 20 years before and after). The schools would punish the children for 'acting Native' (wearing traditional c…

For anyone interested in Native American / Canadian issues, I can't recommend Kent Nerburn's "Neither Wolf nor Dog" series [1][2][3] highly enough.

The second and third books deal more directly with the boarding schools, but all three are fantastic in terms of giving a perspective that is usually left out when it comes to Native issues.

[1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/72662.Neither_Wolf_Nor_D...

[2] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/6532022-the-wolf-at-twil...

[3] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17707906-the-girl-who-sa...

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