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Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by steve76 » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 2:50 PM UTC

hellofunk wrote: post #40

Well it is definitely true that having schools fully open does not contribute to much greater risk if the community already has the virus under control as this has been widely demonstrated by many European countries where infection rates continued to decrease, hospitalizations and deaths decreased, even as schools fully opened. But in those countries, they actually did the responsible thing and had a full uncompromis…

Today the same people saying we messed up the lock down cheered a mob which just burnt down the city.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by sl1ck731 » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 2:50 PM UTC

lmilcin wrote: post #64

sl1ck731 wrote: post #46

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How does delaying your school career 1 semester cause death? What debt? School debt? Are you talking about college? If you aren't attending school at all then you aren't adding to the debt (in most cases with Federal loans). If its online then you are still on track so I don't see your point.

We are talking about large number of people. On average this would take away half a year of their productive life. Nowadays, many people have a plan which is mostly: finish school, get a job based on the education. It is not difficult to see that if you set back financially large number of people, suddenly, this might increase suicide rate, for example. Or may make them worse off in many different ways causing some t…

Nowadays no one's plans work out exactly the way they planned.

You can ignorantly (and hypocritically) call avoiding super-spreading schools in the midst of a pandemic an extremist position all you want, but you are overvaluing 6 months of "productivity" and completely avoiding continued remote learning.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by lmilcin » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 2:51 PM UTC

newfeatureok wrote: post #85

lmilcin wrote: post #64

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We are talking about large number of people. On average this would take away half a year of their productive life. Nowadays, many people have a plan which is mostly: finish school, get a job based on the education. It is not difficult to see that if you set back financially large number of people, suddenly, this might increase suicide rate, for example. Or may make them worse off in many different ways causing some t…

> These are not easy decisions, and saying "I would prefer people to pause their lives for 6 months than loose one life" is a completely braindead, extremist way of looking at things. Based on the data from March it's pretty easy to estimate the effects of reopening things, including school. It's a very easy decision, don't reopen yet. You're comparing an estimated thousands to tens of thousands dying from schools re…

I was reacting to the person saying how easy the decision is.

Whether it is actually safe to let people back in schools, I have not enough data and knowledge to decide. Most likely not.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by nickysielicki » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 2:52 PM UTC

leetrout wrote: post #61

hellofunk wrote: post #43

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Which is not relevant. This is not an issue regarding the health of the children as much as it is the health of the teachers.

YES! I don't want my wife sacrificed by an asymptomatic kid carrying it to class

In spite of the common idea that schools and young children are germ factories that make adults sick, there's a recent article from the American Academy of Pediatrics that shows children are very rarely the index case for COVID. It's much more likely that she would give it to them, than that they would give it to her.

https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2020/07...

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by nsriv » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 2:52 PM UTC

war1025 wrote: post #56

I believe the old FDR phrase, "There's nothing to fear but fear itself," is becoming more and more accurate with our situation. The risk from this virus goes down dramatically the younger you are. Kids are young. That's obvious. Their parents also tend to be young, at least young enough to not be in the high risk groups. These groups are also accustomed to being sick or dealing with sick people. If there were no vacc…

Yeah, you were saying? https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-c...

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by devalgo » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 2:53 PM UTC

dx87 wrote: post #90

devalgo wrote: post #81

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Appeal to authority, not a real argument.

Appeal to fallacy, not a real argument.

Appeal to fallacy, not a real argument.

Its fallacies all the way down.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by lm28469 » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 2:53 PM UTC

war1025 wrote: post #56

I believe the old FDR phrase, "There's nothing to fear but fear itself," is becoming more and more accurate with our situation. The risk from this virus goes down dramatically the younger you are. Kids are young. That's obvious. Their parents also tend to be young, at least young enough to not be in the high risk groups. These groups are also accustomed to being sick or dealing with sick people. If there were no vacc…

Or you know, you could deal with the virus like 99% of the other first world countries and be half way through it instead of still not having hit the peak of the epidemic. It's crystal clear that the US is doing something wrong. "it's not that bad", "europe is reopening schools so we should do it too", &c.

What kind of mental gymnastic do you have to go through to even write these things... https://i.imgur.com/2Pkl2PY.png

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by engineer_22 » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 2:53 PM UTC

yboris wrote: post #78

engineer_22 wrote: post #11

It's too late to put the genie back in the bottle. Whether we like it or not we're going with the Sweden Model. I've got school age kids myself, and I understand the risk. This is going to be a situation that could become hard to manage but our society's economy is constructed in such a way that relies on daytime programming for children and teens outside of their home. The teachers are going to have to help bear the…

You say you understand the risk. Do your kids have a say in this? It's their lives on the line. Would you respect their decision if they insist they are unwilling to go to school in person?

They haven't insisted on that. Quite the opposite, they have insisted they want to return to school. I have talked to them about the pandemic and they understand people are getting sick.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by rgbrenner » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 2:53 PM UTC

nickysielicki wrote: post #82

leetrout wrote: post #18

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Strong statement: dumb kids are better than dead kids.

There are 74 million children CDC says that 1.7% of COVID cases belong to children. [2] Among children, CDC says 1.8% of cases required hospitalization. [2] >>> 74000000*0.017*0.018 A dumb kid is better than a dead kid, I agree. But are 74M dumber kids worth less than 25000 ICU visits in the entire country? [1]: https://www.childtrends.org/indicators/number-of-children [2]: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/69/wr/mm69…

1.7% while schools are closed.

Re: Teachers are ready to quit rather than put their lives at risk

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Post by lm28469 » Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 2:54 PM UTC

matz1 wrote: post #8

lm28469 wrote: post #4

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idk if it's a tongue in cheek comment or what but when you sign up to work in the medical system it's kind of implied (and probably explicitly written in your work contract) that you'll encounter dangerous and unpleasant situations, much less for teachers, especially when the whole thing is unnecessary and preventable in the first place.

Except the danger is overblown, there is risk ? yes of course, like everything else in life there is risk. Thats being said If they feel uncomfortable to work then they should quit, give opportunity for other teacher to take their job.

Look at other countries, the US wants to reopen during the peak of the virus... There are always risks, but there are more risks if you knowingly reopen everything during the worse time possible.