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Re: The TikTok War

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Post by addison-lee »

tanilama wrote: post #46
kpennell wrote: post #11

I'm not sure how I got sucked into Tiktok but I was quickly hooked. There's something so refreshingly playful, authentic, and raw about so much Tiktok content compared to Instagram. Instagram (explore/discovery) is generally pretty people with pretty things in pretty places. That was fun for a while but it's just not that interesting after a while. I don't need to see more pretty pictures of women doing yoga. I don't…

Me too. I don't have any evidence, but I believe human evaluation in the whole recommendation is the remedy that makes TikTok excels.

Yes, they get rid of content from "ugly, poor or disabled users" so you have an even "better" experience. So not only is it Chinese spyware, it is an awful company too.

Source: https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-us...

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by jfengel »

godtoldmetodoit wrote: post #59
bstar77 wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the copy/paste exploit was addressed (in ios) I'm not sure what useful information "chinese spyware" can gather from this app. As long as it's being used for goofy dance and lip sync videos, I don't see the harm.

My personal feeling is that Tiktok is better then most other social media for the end users emotional state, at least based on my wife's usage. From a spying perspective, I tend to agree with you as well. That said - China doesn't let FB or Twitter in their country, why the hell should the US let them in ours? To me it is akin to letting them buy the NY Times or CNN. They may be benign now, but if tensions were to co…

Is there any reason to think that positivity will continue to hold? Or is TikTok just getting its grace period before griefers, trolls, and paranoiacs move in?

If the Chinese government is going to aggressively moderate TikTok to keep that out... uh, cool, I guess. I'd be happy to see some popular entertainment that doesn't devolve into a screaming match. But it's a lot of work, and reduces audience (i.e. revenue).

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by addison-lee »

msbarnett wrote: post #18
mschuster91 wrote: post #13

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> It's replaced rants and frustration with laughter and positivity. ... and Chinese spyware in the pockets of children.

Not sure I consider Chinese spyware any worse than the US spyware of Facebook, as a resident of neither country. Hand wringing about TikTok seems more rooted in sinophobia than genuine privacy concerns, from where I’m sitting.

No doubt spyware is bad from either country, but TikTok was caught trying to suppress content from "ugly, poor, or disabled" users. Do you still support the app knowing that?

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-us...

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by kpennell »

puranjay wrote: post #68
kpennell wrote: post #11

I'm not sure how I got sucked into Tiktok but I was quickly hooked. There's something so refreshingly playful, authentic, and raw about so much Tiktok content compared to Instagram. Instagram (explore/discovery) is generally pretty people with pretty things in pretty places. That was fun for a while but it's just not that interesting after a while. I don't need to see more pretty pictures of women doing yoga. I don't…

Here in India, TikTok was massively popular in smaller towns and villages. The content was so different than Instagram. I really thought it was invaluable (TikTok is banned now). For us city dwelling upper middle class people, it gave a rare glimpse into the lives of people less privileged. And it wasn't maudlin or patronizing as a lot of narratives about the poor tend to be. Rather it was fun and authentic. I rememb…

That's super fascinating. I also feel like tiktok is a little window into people's lives I wouldn't know otherwise (different social classes, etc.)

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by 082349872349872 »

nix23 wrote: post #48
chvid wrote: post #39

As an European I am happy that someone is finally breaking the American monopoly on social media. It just feels wrong only being surveilled by the NSA.

Install yandex tiktok and facebook and you have the holy trinity ;)

Eurasia, Eastasia, and Oceania ;)

(by the end of the year Airstrip One will have always been part of Oceania)

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by hugh4life »

kpennell wrote: post #11

I'm not sure how I got sucked into Tiktok but I was quickly hooked. There's something so refreshingly playful, authentic, and raw about so much Tiktok content compared to Instagram. Instagram (explore/discovery) is generally pretty people with pretty things in pretty places. That was fun for a while but it's just not that interesting after a while. I don't need to see more pretty pictures of women doing yoga. I don't…

"I'm not sure how I got sucked into Tiktok but I was quickly hooked."

All these apps use behavioral design to get you hooked.

Tiktok is oversocialization on steroids. You have people not only acting out the behavioral scripts embedded and triggered in some meme music or voice you have people mimetically acting out what others are acting out. The psychological manipulation possible though TikTok is immense.

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by cameronbrown »

msbarnett wrote: post #87
cameronbrown wrote: post #77

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Ah yes, because the US is well known for its Muslim concentration camps, social credit scores and surveillance panopticon. > Hand wringing about TikTok seems more rooted in sinophobia than genuine privacy concerns, from where I’m sitting. This is a strawman. People dislike the CCP not the Chinese.

> Ah yes, because the US is well known for its Muslim concentration camps, social credit scores and surveillance panopticon. Perhaps I simply don’t consider the Hispanic concentration camps, private credit scores that still gate hiring, access to healthcare (via hiring) and renting and apartment, and surveillance panopticon powered by Google, better?

Are you serious? The US does not have Hispanic concentration camps. It DOES have a private prison problem, but not death camps.

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by YarickR2 »

addison-lee wrote: post #91
tanilama wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Me too. I don't have any evidence, but I believe human evaluation in the whole recommendation is the remedy that makes TikTok excels.

Yes, they get rid of content from "ugly, poor or disabled users" so you have an even "better" experience. So not only is it Chinese spyware, it is an awful company too. Source: https://theintercept.com/2020/03/16/tiktok-app-moderators-us...

Do you have instagram account ? If yes - are you subscribed to ugly, poor or disabled people ?

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by teekert »

nxc18 wrote: post #70
teekert wrote: post #8

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All I see is girls putting their phone somewhere, dancing in front of it, then getting back into being absorbed by their phones. Can you describe more specifically what is so positive about it? My kids are about to enter the age at which they get a smartphone and these things make me a bit afraid (like, who's watching? Why do they stare at that app for so long? etc). I don't understand the alure, but I want to keep a…

I get mostly cooking, gardening, life hacks, and occasionally political humor. I'm also on gay TikTok so there's some 'fun' content there. I've learned lots of cool stuff on TikTok - my favorite tip recently has been a trick for partially juicing lemons while leaving them intact; last week I broke my soda habit as a result of easily accessible homemade la croix.

OK sounds good, maybe I should just try it, always good to know what you are talking about, right?!

Re: The TikTok War

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Post by mochialex »

analyte123 wrote: post #76
kpennell wrote: post #11

I'm not sure how I got sucked into Tiktok but I was quickly hooked. There's something so refreshingly playful, authentic, and raw about so much Tiktok content compared to Instagram. Instagram (explore/discovery) is generally pretty people with pretty things in pretty places. That was fun for a while but it's just not that interesting after a while. I don't need to see more pretty pictures of women doing yoga. I don't…

Something about Tiktok, whether the algorithm or the sheer volume of content, seems to discourage the sort of look-at-me envy-bait narcissistic posturing that is so common on Instagram. To be popular on Tiktok you actually have to do stuff (even it's fairly banal like dancing or telling stories), not just be (or pretend to be) someone. I found it funny that the author of this post is trying to defend liberal values l…

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