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ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Post by smnrchrds »

cm2187 wrote: post #83
smnrchrds wrote: post #43

> Nonimmigrant F-1 and M-1 students attending schools operating entirely online may not take a full online course load and remain in the United States ... Active students currently in the United States enrolled in such programs must depart the country or take other measures ... This is going to ruin so many lives. An example of how this could result is significant hardship for international students is the case of Ir…

I am not going to defend the Iranian regime or military services in general, which I think is a waste of time for all parties. But is it the role of the US immigration regime to circumvent military duties in foreign countries?

My point was that there are likely hundreds of edge cases that ICE did not think about (or care about) when they decided to change the rules. When you create rules carelessly, people fall through the cracks. ICE has now created a massive crack many will likely fall through.

Military service is just one of such cracks, there are likely many many more. Just imagine how many people are likely to lose their scholarships (that is their only way to pay for the program they are in) because this ruling triggers a clause in the scholarship terms, how many mature students with families now have to take their children out of school and out of country for who knows how long and what the effect of this on those children is going to be, ...

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Post by DerpyBaby123 »

blahblah3737 wrote: post #73
paulgb wrote: post #8

As some have pointed out elsewhere, the idea that "they can just do the courses remotely from their home country" has some issues: - live classes may happen in the middle of the night - tools like GSuite are blocked in China - internet connection quality varies Given the amount of revenue foreign students bring in, this seems like the admin is using access to those students as a lever to force schools to reopen prema…

the money they save on rent they can use on getting a kick ass internet connection. internet is pretty good in most countries if you are willing to pay up. GSuite is blocked, means use word online? not insurmountable barriers

You pretend like you have solved things here, clearly you have not. Please stop trolling

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Post by dgoldstein0 »

VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #42
65536 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think this has led to the US educating many persons who later leave the country for visa issues I’ve never been to the US but, if this is the problem then wouldn’t it be better to make it easier for people to stay also after they have finished their degrees? If the goal is to have a lot of highly educated people in the US I mean.

USA educates more international students (by far) than any other country. I think the goal of policies like this is to prefer US students. But you're right that it would also be nice if foreign students had an easier time staying in USA after they graduate.

It wouldn't just be nice - it'd be smart. We could probably have more immigrant-owned business and immigrant-developed inventions of we made it easy for foreign born US graduates to stay. Both of which should add jobs to the economy and make the US more economically competitive.

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Post by fzeroracer »

zaroth wrote: post #85
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There’s no excuse for outright canceling classes. Classes can absolutely be held safely, Why do so few people actually charged with making this decision agree with you? And US college is about a lot more than classes.

Probably because they didn't consider the downside to their decision. They don't empathize with the students who can't possibly learn the material without a classroom environment, or for those who worked and dreamed of attending that University for years only to be sent the bill without most of the benefit. To say nothing of those students who literally don't have a (safe) place to live lined up besides being on-camp…

What about the students that can't go to class because they're with family or friends that are at risk? What about the immigrants who came here to get an education that are now being kicked out because of the administration's cruelty? Why are you encouraging something that would exacerbate the spread of the coronavirus and celebrating forcing people to travel back home and potentially spread the virus cross country?

Come on. This is a ridiculous thing to defend.

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Post by usaar333 »

cm2187 wrote: post #66
dsfdsfsdfasd wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's difficult, if not impossible, to fly to basically any country from the US. The EU is currently debating exemptions for spouses who have been separated, so I doubt they have exemptions for students. And even if the exemptions and all are sorted out, who thinks it's a great idea for a whole bunch of students to have to fly in what will now potentially be crowded planes, and then have to spend at least a couple of…

I haven’t heard of any country turning down their own nationals returning home.

China effectively is by limiting flights.

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Post by njovin »

IvyMike wrote: post #78

If I were a school I'd be finding as many possible loopholes as possible. One minute a semester in-person instruction per course, for starters.

*with the instructor being remote :)

I’m completely in favor of this guerilla approach to fighting stupid knee jerk policy changes.

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Post by hawngyeedun »

whoisjuan wrote: post #36

This reads like "open your campuses or go fuck yourself". International students make up 6% of all the students in the US with certain institutions probably averaging very large numbers of international students. This is the sad current state of affairs in this country. A pandemic became a political weapon.

I don't see anything to be gained from this call other than solidifying the current administration political stance. Unless I'm missing something, this seems to be an incredibly destructive decision creates little to no benefits to the American society... For instance, that "6% of all students" alone contributes a great deal to the US economy:

> According to the Commerce Department, international students contributed $45 billion to the U.S. economy in 2018.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/506072-ice-tells...

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Post by mynameisvlad »

usaar333 wrote: post #96
cm2187 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven’t heard of any country turning down their own nationals returning home.

China effectively is by limiting flights.

That's not the same thing at all. There's always been a flight a week from the US to China, so even if it takes a while, it's still possible. Especially so with at least a month's notice.

Re: ICE changes exemptions for foreign students taking online courses in Fall 2020

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

dgoldstein0 wrote: post #94
VWWHFSfQ wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

USA educates more international students (by far) than any other country. I think the goal of policies like this is to prefer US students. But you're right that it would also be nice if foreign students had an easier time staying in USA after they graduate.

It wouldn't just be nice - it'd be smart. We could probably have more immigrant-owned business and immigrant-developed inventions of we made it easy for foreign born US graduates to stay. Both of which should add jobs to the economy and make the US more economically competitive.

I think everyone would support that kind of policy except where it would have an adverse effect on American students. The goal of policies like this are to promote USA students admission to higher education over foreign students. But the reality is that foreign student tuition is a huge money-maker. So USA students are at a disadvantage in the admissions process.
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