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Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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A better option: shift it's engineering to everywhere else in America , and go full-remote, but pay less. Imagine if Uber told it's developers: we're cutting salaries by 40%- but you are now full-remote, and we want you to live somewhere less expensive than SV. Spread out across America! A lot of folks would quit. But some would see the incredible opportunity. In that situation, I'd move somewhere like Chattanooga TN…

This is not as good as it sounds just because it works for you. People don't love moving, and they usually move for better work opportunities, not to accomodate a pay cut at their current job. Moving to a lower cost of living area also means moving to an area with less opportunities, and not to mention moving away from your social circles and the life you have established somewhere. The only way I can see this workin…

Imagine if they didn't have to move for better opportunities but could stay living where they grew up in flyover country.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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Wow, some rampant generalization in this thread. What most people outside of India seem to fail to understand is that most of the experience they have had and stories they've heard of are based off of poorly paid, not very highly skilled engineers employed at body shop consultancies.

There is also another class of software engineers in India who are as good as SV engineers who work at companies like Ola, Bookmyshow, PayTM, Flipkart etc. building quality products at quite a large scale. This is the kind of engineer who is also hired by FAANG/Microsoft/Uber etc. And these engineers are paid very well in comparison to the body shop guys.

So when Uber says they might shift engineering to India, that doesn't automatically mean quality is going to shit.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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Well this has worked great for Boeing, a once great American engineering company. On the other hand India has an excellent education system and highly skilled engineers, and any capital flow away from the five big cities in the world that sinks the vast majority of it can only be a good thing.

> India has an excellent education system Explain in which way is it excellent? Which part do you think Indian education system does well relatively?

OK, I'll bite. The top academic institutions in the exact sciences and engineering (old IITs, IISc) are excellent by any standard, and the students are top notch, due to the large pool from which they are selected and the brutally tough selection process. Example: a significant number of the top CS researchers in the world are graduates from these institutes.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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> India has an excellent education system Explain in which way is it excellent? Which part do you think Indian education system does well relatively?

OK, I'll bite. The top academic institutions in the exact sciences and engineering (old IITs, IISc) are excellent by any standard, and the students are top notch, due to the large pool from which they are selected and the brutally tough selection process. Example: a significant number of the top CS researchers in the world are graduates from these institutes.

> The top academic institutions in the exact sciences and engineering (old IITs, IISc) are excellent by any standard, and the students are top notch, due to the large pool from which they are selected and the brutally tough selection process.

It's a result of huge population and most institutions being trash so students are concentrated in one place. That is in no way a feature of the education system itself.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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Wow, some rampant generalization in this thread. What most people outside of India seem to fail to understand is that most of the experience they have had and stories they've heard of are based off of poorly paid, not very highly skilled engineers employed at body shop consultancies. There is also another class of software engineers in India who are as good as SV engineers who work at companies like Ola, Bookmyshow,…

Yup, Flipkart has one of the best mobile websites of any ecommerce app. Far better than the likes of Walmart and Target.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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OK, I'll bite. The top academic institutions in the exact sciences and engineering (old IITs, IISc) are excellent by any standard, and the students are top notch, due to the large pool from which they are selected and the brutally tough selection process. Example: a significant number of the top CS researchers in the world are graduates from these institutes.

> The top academic institutions in the exact sciences and engineering (old IITs, IISc) are excellent by any standard, and the students are top notch, due to the large pool from which they are selected and the brutally tough selection process. It's a result of huge population and most institutions being trash so students are concentrated in one place. That is in no way a feature of the education system itself.

The quality of your peers is an important feature of any educational system (if not the most important) -- by that measure alone the top institutes in India are excellent. The top researchers/professors at those institutes are also a product of the same institutes, and the same selection process, so the top institutes are generally of a high standard (in terms of workload, choice of topics, teaching quality, etc.). Although, here, admittedly the draw of industry and universities abroad has a large effect and the teachers are not the top 0.01% of their age group in the same way as student are.

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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Relative to what? India has 1.34 billion people. If other countries put a million self selected students to compete with each other in a dog fight, I am sure the resulting 50k might have good chance of being similar. Startup ecosystem is booming on foreign investment especially from china. Local investment is still dire.

How does this reply contribute to the discussion?

> He got his degree from IIT, a tier 1 college in India.

Students from IIT in India are filtered from millions of students. They only take about 10-15k students every year and the rest are in NIT and other relevant institutions (around 50k). About 1 million self selected students participate in jee-mains every year. I only meant to highlight that OP's friend may be biased compared to the common situation here.

Here is the article for chinese investment in top Indian startups - https://www.vccircle.com/here-s-a-snapshot-of-key-chinese-in...

With government trying to shut down foreign investment, I don't see investment opportunities in India increasing.

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> The top academic institutions in the exact sciences and engineering (old IITs, IISc) are excellent by any standard, and the students are top notch, due to the large pool from which they are selected and the brutally tough selection process. It's a result of huge population and most institutions being trash so students are concentrated in one place. That is in no way a feature of the education system itself.

The quality of your peers is an important feature of any educational system (if not the most important) -- by that measure alone the top institutes in India are excellent. The top researchers/professors at those institutes are also a product of the same institutes, and the same selection process, so the top institutes are generally of a high standard (in terms of workload, choice of topics, teaching quality, etc.). A…

I don't think that is relevant to the education system still. That is a very small share of Indian student population. 15k/37.4 million.

What do you think about reservation in those institutions?

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_policy_in_Indian_I...

2. https://theprint.in/india/education/iits-take-womens-quota-t...

3. For 10% poor all catch reservation which will be implemented soon - https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/10-reservation-for...

Re: Uber wants to cut costs by shifting its engineering to India

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This has always been my big concern with leaving a major tech city ( even to go to the suburbs ). your opportunities shrink. I'd be curious if this will change as more companies offer full-time remote.

Silicon Valley (mostly) is "the suburbs." Although there are more tech jobs in downtowns than there used to be, in a lot of areas most of the tech jobs are in suburbs/exurbs.

It's a bit different here on the East Coast. While there are plenty of options in the suburbs - the number within an individuals commuting radius drops.
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