Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN • Hacker News Board

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

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Post by unfasten » Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 6:01 PM UTC

pasbesoin wrote: post #88

Here's what I've "learned" with regard to tags. The UI needs to be effortless. I've encountered exactly one program that accomplished this. It was written over 10 years ago and has since been abandoned. It automatically generated a fairly sensible set of tags from context. Then the user could adjust. They were presented as a comma-separated list -- just edit the list, free-form. I had thousands of bookmarks, spanning…

>OT: I also want tagging in my file system. My understanding, purely from reading, is that BeOS was one of the few/only to really do this. Anyone have pointers to a current, maintained file system that does this?

The closest thing I'm aware of is KDE 4, but it's not using a special file system. I haven't used KDE 4 yet but it sounds like it's integrated into the overall desktop system, including Dolphin, the file manager.

It uses NEPOMUK (Networked Environment for Personal, Ontology-based Management of Unified Knowledge). Quick description from wiki: "NEPOMUK-KDE is featured as one of the newer technologies in KDE SC 4. It uses the RDF store Soprano and, on a technical level, allows associating metadata to various items present on a normal user's desktop such as files, bookmarks, e-mails, and calendar entries. Metadata can be arbitrary RDF; as of KDE 4, tagging is the most user-visible metadata application."

The KDE site for NEPOMUK looks like it has some good information: http://nepomuk.kde.org/

General NEPOMUK specifications: http://nepomuk.semanticdesktop.org/xwiki/bin/view/Main1/Deli...

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

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Post by BrandonM » Fri, Mar 25, 2011, 6:19 PM UTC

delineal wrote: post #76

revorad wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is deviating from the main discussion here, but what are your ideas for combatting the decline in comment quality?

If there were a checklist of guidelines about comments and you had to physically check each one to post a comment, it would A) reduce trivial posts by making them more work to post and B) provide reminders -every time you post- about the kinds of content desired for posts.

C) inspire a Greasemonkey script within a few hours

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

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Post by gnosis » Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 1:16 AM UTC

PaulHoule wrote: post #87

It's 2011 and tags are increasingly a problem rather than a solution. Real semantic technology is on the horizon. It's time to send tags to the recycle bin.

Can you elaborate on which "real semantic technology" you're referring to?

And how would you like to see that technology applied to HN?

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

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Post by digi9ten » Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 2:18 AM UTC

Yeah, they would help. There are few that would help, right from the start.

E.g.: Show HN, Ask HN, etc.

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

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Post by zeynel1 » Sat, Mar 26, 2011, 2:28 PM UTC

I like the simplicity of HN and I voted "I'd dislike it". But it was interesting to read the discussion because I've been working on an application with tags: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2366115

Several of the problems mentioned caused by variation of the same tag, it seems to me, can be solved with related tags. So if I am searching for "string methods" http://ting-1.appspot.com/rt?rt=string%20methods, related tags also shows "python string methods".

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

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Post by delineal » Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 12:45 AM UTC

BrandonM wrote: post #92

delineal wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If there were a checklist of guidelines about comments and you had to physically check each one to post a comment, it would A) reduce trivial posts by making them more work to post and B) provide reminders -every time you post- about the kinds of content desired for posts.

C) inspire a Greasemonkey script within a few hours

Easy fix: simply impose a timer on adding comments. If you're only allowed to make one comment per story per 5-10 minutes, you'll choose more carefully where/when you place comments.

Oh, and even if there is a GreaseMonkey script, displaying reminders is still a good idea.

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

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Post by PaulHoule » Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 3:46 PM UTC

gnosis wrote: post #93

PaulHoule wrote: post #87

It's 2011 and tags are increasingly a problem rather than a solution. Real semantic technology is on the horizon. It's time to send tags to the recycle bin.

Can you elaborate on which "real semantic technology" you're referring to? And how would you like to see that technology applied to HN?

Let's put it this way.

The game of 20 questions demonstrates that there are about a million 'concepts' that are our shared human consciousness. Although a early attempts to catalog these in the 1980s are widely regarded as failures, we've had 30 years of progress in software and hardware since then so what was once impossible may soon be easy.

Re: Poll: Would you like tags implemented on HN

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Post by gnosis » Mon, Mar 28, 2011, 10:18 PM UTC

PaulHoule wrote: post #97

gnosis wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on which "real semantic technology" you're referring to? And how would you like to see that technology applied to HN?

Let's put it this way. The game of 20 questions demonstrates that there are about a million 'concepts' that are our shared human consciousness. Although a early attempts to catalog these in the 1980s are widely regarded as failures, we've had 30 years of progress in software and hardware since then so what was once impossible may soon be easy.

Which software packages could HN install and use for this purpose?