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Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

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Electronic Money Transfer (EMT)/e-transfering is a bank-to-bank transfer in Canada.

It may be convenient use other ids besides bank account numbers, but it adds another avenue for mistakes.

Such as...?

To me, passing around a long unstructured numeric string is a lot more error-prone than selecting a contact from my banking app, or writing a short, structured phone number or email address. In any case, the recipient needs to know the secret one-word answer to the question set by the sender, which would prevent wrong parties from claiming money (this can be skipped if the recipient registered their phone number or email address forbauto-deposit).

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

#93
post #39

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Sure, that's why I used the term "solution". I understand that PIX will be better than what we have today, but there's no reason to block other players and don't allow them to create their own payment solutions or products, based or not on PIX.

Sure there is. The government has the responsibility to create a free market. If a proprietary standard wins, you have a monopoly without competition. If the government standard wins that enables interoperability, no company can block other competitors. Europe did the same and it worked.

I don't think the Brazilian government has this responsibility as it is the most at fault for Brazil's lacking free market.

Maybe when it becomes a champion on that, removing barriers of entry, protectionism, subsidies and it's public companies monopolies, then it can be a fair judge on this issue.

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

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post #43

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PIX is in test and will be available to all brazilians from october. Several payment operators are implementing it's protocol.

Hope you are right.

In Brazil, we have had same-day money transfer (normally it takes 15 min) among accounts in different banks. Same bank accounts have "instantaneous" money transfer. PIX will make it simpler for newcomers.

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

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As a Brazilian, I'm pleased. Our central bank is going to release a platform called PIX. Financial institutions with more than 500.000 clients are required to implement it. Finally we are going to have a standard across banks, and money transfers are going to be less complex, clunky and costly. Of course, other apps have come before. We have apps like PicPay, PayPal and Nubank, just to name a few, that provide instan…

And you're 100% sure that this is not just currency controls because the Brazilian Real is getting killed? From what I can tell - Brazil is going to Argentina, quickly :(

These currency controls are in place for decades and our current financial crisis has nothing to do with that.

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

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post #46

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As a Brazilian living in Canada, I can say the same.

As a Brazilian living in Brazil I'm surprised that anyone would expect a service provided by the Brazilian government to be efficient, or even work at all. This Pix thing seems to cover more than inter-bank transfers, people are expected to use it for QR code-based mobile payments for instance.

You have a very narrow world-view. You can not even imagine...

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

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As a Brazilian, I'm pleased. Our central bank is going to release a platform called PIX. Financial institutions with more than 500.000 clients are required to implement it. Finally we are going to have a standard across banks, and money transfers are going to be less complex, clunky and costly. Of course, other apps have come before. We have apps like PicPay, PayPal and Nubank, just to name a few, that provide instan…

I think this is what happens when you start to push for something without talking with local authorities, they need to remember that it's all about the politics and that's everywhere.

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

#99
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, that's why I used the term "solution". I understand that PIX will be better than what we have today, but there's no reason to block other players and don't allow them to create their own payment solutions or products, based or not on PIX.

Sure there is. The government has the responsibility to create a free market. If a proprietary standard wins, you have a monopoly without competition. If the government standard wins that enables interoperability, no company can block other competitors. Europe did the same and it worked.

> If a proprietary standard wins, you have a monopoly without competition

Maybe they should make their government standard good enough that it wins on its own merit then. Imo, the biggest thing this block does is essentially giving the government standard a license be as subpar as they want, because it isn't like a superior non-government standard is even allowed to compete with it anyway.

Re: Brazilian authorities suspend WhatsApp payments

#100
post #78

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The Bloomberg article that The Verge is referencing says that WhatsApp plans to implement PIX: https://www.bloomberg.com/amp/news/articles/2020-06-23/brazi...

We've changed the URL to that from https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/24/21301470/whatsapp-payment... . This is the third or fourth theverge.com submission we've had to do that for in the last couple days.

To be fair to the OP, they probably don't have a Bloomberg subscription.
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