Who cares? You're not doing anything of interest anyway.
AT&T has a fiberoptic splitter copying our data to NSA
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#92... but corporations are A-OK. It's the government that's the problem. Right?
Actually, yes. Corporations are A-moral and the government is the problem. Just look where this traffic is allegedly going.
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#93Just imagine what Google has splitting to the NSA.
The question is does Google give them raw data or pre-process it willingly for them?
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#94This is literally years-old information. I was aware of and hollering about this at people as a highschooler at debate and speech tournaments. Same thing then as now, no one cares, or those that do care don't care enough. Besides, who cares if you have nothing to hide. Right?
In principal it's quite wrong and scary, but in reality I have to believe the government is too incompetent to actually do anything with their mountains of AT&T collected data.
As the problem lies often not in the data leaking out but in the conclusions someone else draws from it, I'm convinced that incompetence and stupidity only can make matter worse.
As for the mountains of data: how many HN'ers for instance would love to climb them for no other reason than to use some BigData tools on them without questioning that cause?
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#95This is literally years-old information. I was aware of and hollering about this at people as a highschooler at debate and speech tournaments. Same thing then as now, no one cares, or those that do care don't care enough. Besides, who cares if you have nothing to hide. Right?
In principal it's quite wrong and scary, but in reality I have to believe the government is too incompetent to actually do anything with their mountains of AT&T collected data.
Yet.
But WE will create the tools that help the government go through reams of data, collate different pieces of information. I think its actually inevitable that the government reaches that stage.
An even scarier thought is that what if they get access to data 30 years down the line, with vastly more computing power?
(Heck, what happens if someone gets a hold of old tossed out ISP hard drives with logs on them?)
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#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately, fear of the "bad guys" out-weighs his fears of the government, and I suspect that is likely to be the case for most people. After all, they have nothing to hide...
I've found that most baby boomers have this mentality. They trust the government to do the right thing.
Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, oh yes, the government always does the right thing...
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#97Watch Nova - The Spy Factory ( S36 E11 ). Nova investigated the National Security Agency, and what led to AT&T do what it is doing today and why.
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#98Earlier quoted context omitted.
They don't understand that government is not going anywhere, and that government can be as good as it can be bad. No way in hell. Where, in either the future or the history books, is the saintly leader who will counterbalance a Stalin or a Mao?
I think the point is government that is not necessarily led by a single person. Though the president of the US is the 'leader,' he does share power with the Supreme Court and Congress. Just because everyone likes to point to the president when things go wrong doesn't mean there aren't others that share in the blame... The current problem with the system is that: 1) the Federal government has grown too large, and 2) t…
May I suggest that the current US political debate is virulently polarizing and unproductive?
Perhaps the issue Good Governance vs Bad Governance would be effective/useful? (as opposed to the current axis of big vs small)
As was said by Deng Xiapong "it doesn't matter if the cat is white or black.."
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#99One thing I see people saying on here is that people should care....and I do...but I don't know _what_ to do with it! Can someone show/tell me what I, an average person, can do? It feels a bit overwhelming and things like this point out how powerless we really are. I hope I'm wrong and there are things we can do...I just don't know what they are. EDIT - Asking two more specific questions: 1. What can we do technicall…
Besides using SSH and VPN more, the only thing I can do is avoid ATT. I was on T-Mobile for years (out of ATT spite) until Verizon got the iPhone and I jumped within the week. I also spent a lot more money on internet using alternatives to ATT DSL (although I doubt my information was more secure from that choice).
This is probably related to AT&T's role as a backbone provider, which probably predates their purchase of McCaw Cellular.
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#100Anyone else find it weird that Google Maps shows 611 Folsom Street as "Jesus Christ My Lord & Savior Church"...?
Further down the block and across the street we have 666 Folsom Street, where the actual AT&T interconnect happens.