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Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by commoner »

simosx wrote: post #80
commoner wrote: post #43

Many applications packaged under Snap are still unusable on Fedora and Arch because Snap has a bug that renders tofu characters (□□□) instead of text: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/snapped-app-not-loading-fonts-o... I'm not sure whether Linux Mint is also affected by this issue, but it's clear that Canonical doesn't perform quality assurance for Snap on any Linux distribution other than Ubuntu.

The discussion pinpoints the issue in the fontconfig cache files. It is being worked on. The issue is not "snap packages only show tofu characters" but rather in some cases snap packages cannot access the system fonts, hence the squares.

This bug has not been addressed for almost a year, which is completely unacceptable when the Snapcraft homepage advertises that "Snaps work across Linux on any distribution or version."

https://snapcraft.io/

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by nsajko »

Sevaris wrote: post #49
dathinab wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have linux experience Arch Linux can be a good idea. Sure the daunting setup process would fall into the "a hobby" category but once it runs it tends to just keep running as long as you update it from time to time. Using it now for ~5 Years and in that time I had two times problems one was that the new kernel version didn't work with my laptop and another which was fully my fault by doing some "special" boot s…

Ugh, no. Manjaro is the no-nonsense "I really don't want to waste time troubleshooting my own shit" version of Arch Linux. I stopped using Arch when I found Manjaro and I'm so glad I did. Arch just requires way too much fiddling for it to ever feel "complete" and or finished.

From my perspective Manjaro seems like Arch+added nonsense. I honestly don't see what are you trying to say regarding Manjaro with "I really don't want to waste time troubleshooting my own shit" or "Arch just requires way too much fiddling". On the other hand I could understand if you just wanted something that requires less knowledge to set up the first time, but then why not go with Debian or something?

To clarify, I doubt that Manjaro is more debuggable than Arch, considering it's just Arch+added complications.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by SweetestRug »

jimhefferon wrote: post #15
Darmody wrote: post #9

I can understand Canonical pushing for snaps. It's their product and they want it to succeed. That said I hate their dirty ways. I find it even morally wrong. How can "sudo apt install chromium-browser" not install the apt package but install instead a snap? How I, as a user and also as a professional, trust Ubuntu if when I use their package manager I'm being tricked? I don't use Windows for a reason, more than one…

What distro? I use Ubuntu because I just want an OS, not a hobby.

Echoing others here: use Pop_OS or Manjaro. Pop_OS is really the best of Ubuntu, but with sane defaults that respect you. Manjaro just works, every time, every install I try.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by SweetestRug »

greendude29 wrote: post #30
Darmody wrote: post #9

I can understand Canonical pushing for snaps. It's their product and they want it to succeed. That said I hate their dirty ways. I find it even morally wrong. How can "sudo apt install chromium-browser" not install the apt package but install instead a snap? How I, as a user and also as a professional, trust Ubuntu if when I use their package manager I'm being tricked? I don't use Windows for a reason, more than one…

If you want to switch to Arch, I'd reco Manjaro

Seconded! Manjaro just works.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by slim »

flatfilefan wrote: post #20

Snap for me means Firefox suddenly says “I won’t open a new tab until you update me and I will drop all tabs on restart”. It also means cached content and configs in many new obscure places. It doesn’t mean any visible improvement so far. So hey, kudos Mint and hey, Ubuntu stop that already.

Firefox does that in debian stable. but it's supposed to restore your tabs like they were

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by jnurmine »

simosx wrote: post #38
adamzochowski wrote: post #14

snap has problems that exist for years. It will upgrade a running application without telling the user. Then it will remount all folders in use by the running application in read only mode. As such, your chromium will start misbehaving, crashing, extensions will start failing, it won't save cookies or remember tabs after restart. DBeaver won't be saving your .sql scripts. Snap developers think users are precogs. That…

Snap support is evolving. There are keys to configure when, and if, you get updates, https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date The total Linux desktop installation base is around 2.7%. Without automation, the Linux desktop does not look like it will attract any significant number of Windows users.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but one cannot hold off updating the snaps indefinitely. Thus there is no "if".

One gets a maximum of 60 days, that is all. Through a snap proxy it's possible to hold off longer, but then the proxy needs to talk with the snap store periodically.

Why people are upset is, I believe, that Canonical forces people to accept any and all changes to the installed software, without being able to guarantee perfect backwards compatibility for all upgrades. Obviously, neither Canonical nor anyone else can make that kind of promise for all software out there.

Canonical should not force updates on people; let people take care of backwards compatibility; let users turn the auto-update on and off and allow users also to freeze package versions (and their system configuration), if the users so please.

Also, not sure I understand the point about automation. There is automation already today in Ubuntu through autoupdating .deb packages. It is nothing inherently new in Snaps.

One problem with measuring Linux desktop installation base is that Linux users are often the people who turn off telemetry, call-home, employ DNT, run ad blockers, run third party script blockers, and so on. I wonder how much this skews the results.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by Andys »

simosx wrote: post #47
chintan wrote: post #34

Hundreds of organizations, including ours, rely on Rocket.Chat for their internal messaging. It all went down when a release was pushed and snap decided to auto-update [1] I can imagine it resulted in a huge loss of productivity at all these orgs in the Covid era. Just learnt from this thread that apt-install will install snap! I'm running Ubuntu 18.04 + i3 (Dell Developer Edition) but will change to Debian. [1]. htt…

You can control when to update, https://snapcraft.io/docs/keeping-snaps-up-to-date

Would someone be able to tell me how to plain old turn it off? I still can't tell even after reading the docs

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by amaccuish »

eberkund wrote: post #58

This appears to be an unpopular opinion, but I like snaps and Canonical's philosophy in some ways mimics that of Apple's where they care about usability over configurability. Snaps have been my preferred method of installation for a few years now. I really like how I know where the files are being installed to and if I uninstall the software it will be removed cleanly. I also like how for most software snaps contain…

I like snaps too but snap has a habit of killing my open apps when it wants to update, rather than waiting. Especially Telegram.

Also Telegram was really buggy a few versions back and it took several releases for notifications to start working again. It would have been nice if I could roll back and pin while they went through the first few 2.0 releases.

Re: Linux Mint Dumps Ubuntu Snap

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Post by simosx »

henriquez wrote: post #3

I dumped Ubuntu over Snap. Maybe I’m just ignorant but it seems like allowing developers to push software updates without any review invites the same sorts of issues we’ve seen on npm, with very high risks for certain use cases. I don’t want that kind of relationship with my OS, forced updates are why I ditched Windows in the first place. Aside from the philosophical concerns I ran into a lot of glitches with various…

> Maybe I’m just ignorant but it seems like allowing developers to push software updates without any review

When you create a snap package and post it to the Snap Store, you only get the default limited rights for your snap. For example, your application is not able to access external disks. But if your application has a real case to do so, then you need to request to have that access added to your snap.

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