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Re: Show HN: C0D3 – A free, interactive site to learn coding

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Post by dang »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #83

This is like saying "learn to read a schematic to become an electrical engineer." There's a hell of a lot more to engineering than that. Couldn't they at least have said "learn coding to become a programmer?"

Please let's not have yet another semantic argument about that.

Re: Show HN: C0D3 – A free, interactive site to learn coding

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Post by zero_shift »

snowwrestler wrote: post #87
zero_shift wrote: post #6

Software engineering must be one of the few professions where individuals freely share their energy and expertise with others. This isn't a criticism, neither of the "help others code" movement, nor more insular industries. It's just a very unusual aspect of our field and I wonder where it comes from. For instance, can you imagine reading any of these? Show LN (Litigator News): Learn employment regulations to become…

I think it's great that so many software engineers and developers share their energy and expertise. I think your perception of what other professions do might be limited by your own experience, though. Just to go in order: Legal: My aunt is a lawyer and volunteered her time in a legal "clinic" where people with landlord/tenant issues could come in and get advice for free. She also worked some of her professional time…

I am aware of legal clinics and pro bono work, but this is very different from legal training.

Even here in the UK, taking a GDL and LPC/BCPL is a very expensive proposition. There are no real free resources, if you want even a sniff of it you are putting down serious cash. I know because I looked very hard at doing it, and opted out partly because of the perilous costs involved.

The engineering example is very different: helping high school kids take nurture an interest in engineering is definitely a common volunteering trope. I'm not sure it's the same as giving potential practitioners free professional training.

> I think your perception of what other professions do might be limited by your own experience, though.

Politely, I do not think you should be making that assumption about strangers on the internet.

Re: Show HN: C0D3 – A free, interactive site to learn coding

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Post by dang »

All: much of this thread has been arguing about the definition of the word 'engineer'. That's not interesting in HN's sense of the word, and it's a shame not to be discussing the specifics of this project. Since that word 'engineer' seems to be so activating, I've taken it out of the title. Please comment out of curiosity going forward.

Re: Show HN: C0D3 – A free, interactive site to learn coding

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Post by aparsons »

brlewis wrote: post #72
aparsons wrote: post #67

I’m always happy to see paths for more people to learn useful industry skills (most often not taught in universities). But can we please not lower our hiring bars because the company partnered with bootcamp X or because there is a diversity (read: three groups) target to hit? Yes it’s cheaper, and we save some money after tax incentives, but if I have to pass up a superior candidate due to an order from upper managem…

I'm sorry if your company conflated diversity and inclusion with lowering hiring bars. Everywhere I've worked, that hasn't been what diversity programs are about.

I encountered it at my two previous employers (including one FANG). At my current place, I made a point to ask about their diversity initiatives and hiring practices during my own interview, because as a senior engineer I am interviewing 20-40 people annually. I’ve had no pressure to push a diversity agenda at the interview level.

Re: Show HN: C0D3 – A free, interactive site to learn coding

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Post by poma88 »

songzme wrote: post #70
poma88 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The email confirmation opens instead a password recovery interface, which is outdated seconds after being sent. Thus it is not possible to sign up.

did you type in a username / email with an uppercase letter? that's the only issue we've discovered so far with the signup process.

Nope. The links you send for password recovery are also again outdated on arrival.

Re: Show HN: C0D3 – A free, interactive site to learn coding

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Post by shawndrost »

HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #83

This is like saying "learn to read a schematic to become an electrical engineer." There's a hell of a lot more to engineering than that. Couldn't they at least have said "learn coding to become a programmer?"

Oh hello, guy that complains about the way that the term "software engineer" is used!

Outside of your head, the job title "Software Engineer" is mainly used to describe computer programmers that do not do formal engineering. The battle to "protect" the term (as a designator of formal "engineer" status) has already been fought and definitively lost.

As such: Regardless of what C0D3 or its students desire, any successful grad of the platform will have to learn that "software engineer" is a job title that they qualify for. Unless you care more about this linguistic drift than you care about junior devs' job prospects, you (and everyone else) should be quiet about this forever.

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