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Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#91
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Was this known early on about COVID? Early on in the lockdown I noticed that these vitamins were among the kind of weird items completely cleared out of stores. People were very selective... initially all FHD laptops and Chromebooks were gone, along with power strips, ibuprofen, hair clippers, etc.

> Was this known early on about COVID?

Yes. See for example this video from John Campbell from March 9: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5yVGmfivAk

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#92
post #30

just a personal note, I had many many respiratory tract problems - tonsillitis, flu, cold, at least 3 times a year. I always thought it was something natural, given the seasonality of these diseases, especially in winter. but after a routine blood test, my doctor prescribed vitamin D because mine was way below recommended. since 2017, when i started taking vitamin D supplementation, only a mild flu is what I had in 3…

There were big studies in 2016/2017 that demonstrated the connection between Vitamin D and lowering the incidence of colds and other respiratory infections. This led to some governments (like the UK) recommending universal daily supplements for all citizens during the winter months. See https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2017/02/170216110002.h...

cool, that's great. will check it, thanks!

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#93

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Chromebooks are good for a lot of things (especially entertaining young kids) and are cheap. I find the quality to be much better than kid tablets which are terribly glitchy. A Windows laptop with only 2 GB of RAM (shocked you could still get that little) is like $400 and much larger than a Chromebook. Powerstrips are necessary for makeshift home offices which are now everywhere. Hairclippers are important for people…

Are you a GPT-2 bot or something?

Gpt bots can't switch topics midway. Their text generation usually turns incoherent gradually

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#94
post #22

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However, taking 3 vitamins is almost entirely harmless.

Many are toxic (vitamin D included) in unsuitable amounts, that’s probably too strong of a statement.

Everything is toxic in unsuitable amounts, it's an empty statement that doesn't really serve any purpose and is impossible to discuss.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#95
post #40

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It's an observational study, which by definition is not randomized. It's pure association, it may very well be pure confounding. In favor of the authors: The only thing they really claim is that an RCT should be done. Which I guess is an okay'ish conclusion from such a study.

I'm just slightly surprised that the study wasn't made randomized. I can't see any ethical reason why that couldn't have been done but maybe there were logistical reasons. Larger randomized trials are in progress [1][2] but the results won't be published until July. [1] https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04344041 [2] https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT04351490 .

Because it's an observational study? It wasn't an experiment. They couldn't make it randomizes.

This is often the first stage before an RCT. Don't see what's confusing about this.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

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Chromebooks are good for a lot of things (especially entertaining young kids) and are cheap. I find the quality to be much better than kid tablets which are terribly glitchy. A Windows laptop with only 2 GB of RAM (shocked you could still get that little) is like $400 and much larger than a Chromebook. Powerstrips are necessary for makeshift home offices which are now everywhere. Hairclippers are important for people…

Are you a GPT-2 bot or something?

Not sure what a GPT bot is, or how my comment would resemble a post from a bot.

The parent commenter seemed to indicate buying Chromebooks, powerstrips, and vitamins to require secretive information when all of these things make sense (like Nintendo Switch's becoming rarer with millions of bored people in quarantine).

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#97
post #38

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The study mentions 1,000 IU D3 dosage. A quick google turns up a rough figure of 60,000 IU "daily for multiple months" can become toxic. You're probably right, most things taken at 100x the normal dose for long period of time are toxic. (Water included)

The largest dosage of D3 I can find on Amazon is 5000 IU in a 240 capsule bottle. To take 60000 IU, you'd have to take a dozen capsules daily, getting a new bottle every 20 days, probably multiple times. While possible, it does seem unlikely.

There are 50000 IU capsules readily available on many stores.

Taking 100000 IU per day for months/years is not necessarily toxic, especially when reducing calcium intake.

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#98
post #22

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However, taking 3 vitamins is almost entirely harmless.

Vitamin overdoses can be serious in the worst cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_A https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypervitaminosis_D

Water overdoses can be serious in the worst cases, even fatal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperhidrosis

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#99
post #16

I wonder, when I see stories about studies about treating patients with basic nutrients and vitamins, if a root-cause to consider is that our standard diets are so deprived of essential vitamins and minerals that "treating" someone with what they have been missing causes the body to simply function the way it's supposed to. I haven't read the full study but if it takes into account what someone's diet was prior to th…

You are right and it is no secret: - 40% of US Americans are B12 deficient https://www.livekindly.co/b12-deficiency-genetic-makeup/#:~:... . - 42% are Vitamin D deficient: https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthchat/42-percent-of-america... . - up to 50% are Magnesium deficient: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180226122548.h... - 10 - 20% of women are iron deficient: https://www.aafp.org/afp/2007/0301/p671.h…

I've always wondered about this deficiency thing. How is it defined, and does it make any sense to claim that such a large part of the population is deficient? Shouldn't that be considered "normal" (excluding the truly pathological cases), as opposed to "above-average"?

Re: Study of the effect of Vitamin D, Magnesium and Vitamin B12 on Covid-19 patients

#100

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You are right and it is no secret: - 40% of US Americans are B12 deficient https://www.livekindly.co/b12-deficiency-genetic-makeup/#:~:... . - 42% are Vitamin D deficient: https://www.cantonmercy.org/healthchat/42-percent-of-america... . - up to 50% are Magnesium deficient: https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180226122548.h... - 10 - 20% of women are iron deficient: https://www.aafp.org/afp/2007/0301/p671.h…

> If I was filthy rich I would get nutrient levels measured once a week. This sounds similar to what services like Viome ( https://www.viome.com ) do. Though, their intervals (at least Viome's) are much longer.

Damn. That's one of those "of course, why didn't I think of that", companies. Infuriating.

Really hope they're successful, seems like an unsolved problem.

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