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Re: Please Pay for Your News

#91
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I tried, except, everywhere I looked, they promoted Op-ed pieces with equal billing and authority as traditional investigative reporting. Washington Post, NY times seemed liked the "best" based on track record for investigative reporting on politics and international coverage (with a US focus) but I cancelled both after a year. Open to suggestions... Edit: Also NYTimes cancelation process is AOL levels of hostile. Th…

If you’re going to encounter opinion-based editorializing anyway, there are probably worse sources than one with an overly well informed investigative journalism editorial board.

It's not a "board" though. It's the entire reporting staff.

Re: Please Pay for Your News

#92
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The thing about paid news is that they're offering a "premium" product, but that product has notable omissions. You know what I'd expect from news that you have to pay for? A bibliography. Something like (an idealized version of) Wikipedia, with a list of references included somewhere, each scoped to a particular claim—even if a reference just amounts to original research conducted by the news org. E.g. Interview wit…

Not to mention they still show me ads if I pay, which means I'm now paying them for the privilege of having ads I don't want shoved into my face and paying for the privilege of being tracked. No thanks.

You can and should block the ads and trackers.

Re: Please Pay for Your News

#93
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If a business has to beg customers to pay, maybe they should step back and re-evaluate the value that they are purporting to offer and the methods with which they are offering it.

You are so right. Charities have to beg customers to pay too. Maybe they should step back and re-evaluate. Actually, here's an even better idea -- let's just kill the poor. Think of how much money that would save.

The poor are needed to do the work.

Re: Please Pay for Your News

#94

I don't know whether my position is morally sound, but it's at least pretty clear in my head: - I want society to support professional journalism. - There is an infinity of worthy things to read on the internet. I want to browse content from many sources. - However, it is no longer the 1990s. People don't choose a single newspaper to be delivered to their houses and open it over the breakfast table. - Accordingly, I…

Just pay for a different subscription each year and cycle through, and pirate a but for variety

Re: Please Pay for Your News

#95
post #85
post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I choose option 1 of course. That is objectively the best choice. The news orgs that will survive are the ones that secure arm's length public funding such as NPR, CBC, BBC, et al. If Fox or CNN goes bankrupt nothing of value will be lost.

You are mistaken and are myopic. Fox or CNN are not the ones at stake here. The local newsroom that do the important work of disseminating disaster information, local election information are what's at stake. 40-some millions US residents still don't have reliable or fast Internet. Millions don't have any Internet at all. How do you expect to keep up with their own community and the world?

To be fair, he didn't say Fox or CNN were at stake.

Re: Please Pay for Your News

#96
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not just ignore the op-eds? Or are you saying you would prefer NO news to news with op-eds?

WaPo especially, and NYT too, is mostly opinion and human interest commentary about how people feel, not hard news. It's exhausting to try to wade through it to find real reporting and investigations. I get why they do it (readers are dumb, mostly), but they don't even offer a "news" section.

I'm not disagreeing -- I subscribe to both and am probably going to switch my subscriptions to The Economist and WSJ, which do a better job providing actual news. I also subscribe to the Star Tribune which does a fairly good job.

I don't like op-eds either, but there are other options.

Re: Please Pay for Your News

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post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I choose option 1 of course. That is objectively the best choice. The news orgs that will survive are the ones that secure arm's length public funding such as NPR, CBC, BBC, et al. If Fox or CNN goes bankrupt nothing of value will be lost.

You are mistaken and are myopic. Fox or CNN are not the ones at stake here. The local newsroom that do the important work of disseminating disaster information, local election information are what's at stake. 40-some millions US residents still don't have reliable or fast Internet. Millions don't have any Internet at all. How do you expect to keep up with their own community and the world?

I'm having trouble following your logic. You're suggesting that because I'm not willing to pay for $big_name_newscorp, that somehow this will cause local newsrooms (that I would not be subscribing to anyways) to go bankrupt? And also that I somehow bear moral responsibility to keep these newsrooms afloat?

Re: Please Pay for Your News

#98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With your example you can still be misrepresenting the truth, which is essentially deception aka “lying”

If there's more than 1 fact, there has to be an order to presenting them. If that's lying, how can there be truth?

Oh please. It would be in degrees. You can minimize those degrees. Or you can maximize them to the highest level that the intelligence of readers can tolerate. Which seems to be exactly what is occurring in the media today.

Re: Please Pay for Your News

#99
> We herald news as a public service, we forget that tax dollars don’t pay for this public service

Here in Aus our tax dollars pay for a very good news service (www.abc.net.au/news) Costs us ~11¢ per day each.

The commercial news services here are mostly crap and I wouldn't pay them cent.

Re: Please Pay for Your News

#100
post #3

The thing about paid news is that they're offering a "premium" product, but that product has notable omissions. You know what I'd expect from news that you have to pay for? A bibliography. Something like (an idealized version of) Wikipedia, with a list of references included somewhere, each scoped to a particular claim—even if a reference just amounts to original research conducted by the news org. E.g. Interview wit…

So your argument is, since it's not exactly what you want, you aren't going to pay for it.

Well, yes. Even as the parent poster says that this isn't their argument, let us assume it is. Why would I pay for something if it doesn't fit my needs? I don't see other merchants think they're entitled to my sale.
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