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I'm finding the response people are having to this mail in voting thing to be...puzzling. It's not a ridiculous thing to wonder about how susceptible mail in voting is to fraud, and it seems like some of us are putting blinders on simply due to our distaste for the current president. If we were to hold a hackathon with a $100,000 prize for the most plausible path to exploit mail in voting in order to swing an electio…

Trump isn’t really “criticizing” mail-in voting in a responsible and measured way here though, is he? He’s claiming that it is a scam by his enemies that will definitely result in massive voting fraud. Is there any evidence for him to make those claims at all? Is there any other way he could have responded, even if he did genuinely care about empowering citizens to vote?

You got downvoted, but I'm not sure why since Trump literally made that accusation two days ago:

"The Democrats are trying to Rig the 2020 Election, plain and simple!"

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12647175457870069...

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I'm finding the response people are having to this mail in voting thing to be...puzzling. It's not a ridiculous thing to wonder about how susceptible mail in voting is to fraud, and it seems like some of us are putting blinders on simply due to our distaste for the current president. If we were to hold a hackathon with a $100,000 prize for the most plausible path to exploit mail in voting in order to swing an electio…

Trump is not "wondering". His statement was unambiguous: "There is NO WAY (ZERO!) that Mail-In Ballots will be anything less than substantially fraudulent."

This is an unproven statement. Numerous elections experts disagree with it. Why is Twitter not within their rights to warn people of this?

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In what sense are CBS, CNN, and the Washington Post hard left?

I think it’s more fair to characterize them as corporatist and neoconservative/neoliberal. If the mainstream media were actually left-wing they would be propagandizing for Bernie Sanders. Instead they’re propagandizing in favor of old-guard politicians like Mitt Romney and Nancy Pelosi. But no matter how you slice it, it’s still propaganda. I agree with the parent commenter that this will only backfire, likely causin…

I'm not sure why you think there's an intended effect here other than "maybe get a few people who are more on the fence to read something real and make it look like Twitter is Doing Something TM." I would hardly be surprised if it succeeded at those things.

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I'm finding the response people are having to this mail in voting thing to be...puzzling. It's not a ridiculous thing to wonder about how susceptible mail in voting is to fraud, and it seems like some of us are putting blinders on simply due to our distaste for the current president. If we were to hold a hackathon with a $100,000 prize for the most plausible path to exploit mail in voting in order to swing an electio…

Trump isn’t really “criticizing” mail-in voting in a responsible and measured way here though, is he? He’s claiming that it is a scam by his enemies that will definitely result in massive voting fraud. Is there any evidence for him to make those claims at all? Is there any other way he could have responded, even if he did genuinely care about empowering citizens to vote?

>>He’s claiming that it is a scam by his enemies that will definitely result in massive voting fraud. Is there any evidence for him to make those claims at all?

I think the rationale is that the existing incidence of local ballot fraud points at a widespread, under-reported problem that doesn't inspire confidence in the process.

Voting by mail is pretty normal to me, being in the military and outside of my home state for most of my adult life, but it's about as secure as WEP encryption for your Wi-Fi.

https://www.inquirer.com/news/voter-fraud-philadelphia-ward-...

https://www.dailybreeze.com/2016/11/03/how-more-than-80-elec...

https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/commentary/datab...

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Did Dorsey clarify what he meant by public interests? That sounds like a vague distraction.

I think "preserving the words of the president" probably fits pretty squarely in the realm of public interest, even if they're blatantly false.

I know for a fact my aunt mails in ballots for her husband, her father and her mother. Claiming that there is no mail-in voter fraud among 300 million Americans is quite absurd in my opinion.

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Jack Dorsey has spoken about this on Joe Rogan's podcast, and he basically says that it was a judgement call where they weighed the public interest in the tweets against the violations of the tweets. EDIT>> I dug up the clip: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K571_jqnCpM

And by public interest he means the valuation of his company when all the Trump fans revolt and leave twitter.

You can make a genuine case that it's important for the American people to have open proof that their President is an unhinged shitheal actively courting neo-nazis in his bid to undo all progress that has been made in this country in the past fifty years.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what sense are CBS, CNN, and the Washington Post hard left?

> In what sense are CBS, CNN, and the Washington Post hard left? >> The issue here is that everything here is considered the hard left of the media by Fox viewers . Maybe the edit here makes the statement clearer because before it was implicit.

I'm still not seeing the edit, but honestly Fox News viewers seeing CBS as substantively representing the left in any capacity is a large part of the problem here. Fortunately not everyone who matters believes only Fox News and nothing else.

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Trump is currently tweeting about how this warning message is taking away his 1st amendment rights to free speech, and constitutes interference in the 2020 election. Can't wait for these tweets to get the same warning. [1]: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/12654275381401886...

> is taking away his 1st amendment rights to free speech Does he have to be on Twitter? I mean, if Hillary can set up a mail server, surely Donald can host a Mastodon instance.

Most of his 'brand' is based on Twitter these days. I would doubt that he will do much of anything. You know all of the posts here on HN about basing your entire company on the platform of someone else? Well, here is a good example.

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I'm finding the response people are having to this mail in voting thing to be...puzzling. It's not a ridiculous thing to wonder about how susceptible mail in voting is to fraud, and it seems like some of us are putting blinders on simply due to our distaste for the current president. If we were to hold a hackathon with a $100,000 prize for the most plausible path to exploit mail in voting in order to swing an electio…

I'm more curious as to why you're giving Trump such a high benefit of the doubt giving his rampant lies in the past. The reality is that most mail-in voting operates via what is effectively a two factor auth system or a handshake authentication system. Person A gets official mail being told they can register to vote. Person A goes to site and registers to vote. Then they receive a ballot sometime before election day,…

It's frustrating that you think I'm giving Trump some credibility here. I'm not. He's an idiot, but that doesn't mean it is appropriate for twitter to behave this way.

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I'm finding the response people are having to this mail in voting thing to be...puzzling. It's not a ridiculous thing to wonder about how susceptible mail in voting is to fraud, and it seems like some of us are putting blinders on simply due to our distaste for the current president. If we were to hold a hackathon with a $100,000 prize for the most plausible path to exploit mail in voting in order to swing an electio…

From Twitter's statement:

> Trump falsely claimed that California will send mail-in ballots to "anyone living in the state, no matter who they are or how they got there." In fact, only registered voters will receive ballots.

This not "wondering about how susceptible mail in voting is to fraud," it's an outright lie.

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