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In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by theriddlr »

WalterBright wrote: post #59
sitkack wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we need to figure out why the initial lessons are better in person than remote. It could be that small changes are needed in camera placement, or screens or something we haven't thought of. For many instruments you outline, it is how the bow or the instrument is held, this might be better online with the right tools, esp if you had multicamera pose estimation, it might not even need a teacher the majority of the…

I've taken dance lessons. They'd never work remotely. A large part of it is because what you think you're doing with your body is not what you're actually doing. Sometimes the instructor has to use his hands to push you into the right position. Another large part is both of you stand in front of a floor to ceiling mirror. He'll be in front of you off to one side, so you can see both him in real life and your reflecti…

Dance lessons in a group setting work well. My dance classes have made the transition to online lessons. Zoom can get laggy sometimes so tap doesn't work well in real-time. I've improved my tap tremendously from the amount of practice and the ability to replay tutorial videos.

I have my laptop placed such that the webcam acts as a mirror and the tutorial video or Zoom meeting of the class on my second screen. When the teachers shows positions that are obfuscated they turns to face the camera in a 45 degree angle. The only 360 view missing is the Chinese whispers / follow the leader view of seeing the other dancers in the class is when my eyeline is out of view.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by fragmede »

makomk wrote: post #28
asveikau wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand why people are assuming this instead of the easier explanation of that (1) things will eventually bounce back and (2) somebody born in 1-2 generations will have no idea what the pandemic was like. As precedent, I cite the 1918 flu. In 1918 people were getting arrested for not wearing masks. The following decade was called "The Roaring '20s," and I don't presume it roared because of all the social d…

From what I can tell the way society is reacting this particular respiratory pandemic - and the way the media is portraying it - is completely without precedent, so we can't point to history to guide us. Parts of the US might've required mask wearing in 1918, but there wasn't the massive shutdowns of everything or the full-press media coverage we have today. I've seen people who lived through previous major pandemics…

There wasn't Twitter or Facebook in 1918, but the 1918 flu pandemic was headline news in every major newspaper. There were massive shutdowns and ordinances to require mask-wearing were enacted. Parts of the US came to a standstill. That we've forgotten about all of that says more to our biases and the quality of our education system, rather than lack of precedent.

There are many lessons to be learned from 1918, despite all the changes since then. Probably the most relevant one is just how forgotten it had become. If we manage to develop and distribute a COVID-19 vaccine, a few years from now we'll reminisce: remember 2020? Gosh, how weird that was!

There are other lessons too. Like that social distancing works.

Or that rushing to lift restrictions too soon just leads to outbreaks.

America's Forgotten Pandemic: The Influenza of 1918, by Alfred W. Crosby is on Kindle and is interesting reading.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E3UR4EI/

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by tialaramex »

navbaker wrote: post #26
LockAndLol wrote: post #14

> That being said, my whole team, myself included, are noticing that as we continue to provide Zoom sessions we’re getting better and better client sessions; we’re having breakthroughs all the time now. Excuse me, but Zoom? How is that still allowed in healthcare? Are all privacy issues resolved?

Paid versions of Zoom implement stricter privacy measures and conform to formal security audits. I work for a government contractor and the paid version of Zoom we use is certified for official business according to some arcane standard.

So you figure Zoom lied to ordinary users saving all the money and effort needed to do it properly, but they made sure to also build a special secure version for their "paid" users who have an official certification?

Let me suggest a question you'd be better off asking. Imagine that to your astonishment they just pocketed the money and gave you the same crap as everybody else, who do you think pays? Have you seen anywhere a pile of money you get as a prize if they'd just lied? No? Because there isn't one.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by 1bc29b36f623ba8 »

mdoms wrote: post #33

This is very strange to read from here in New Zealand, where life is fairly close to getting back to normal. I don't see any reason why our basic lifestyles should be permanently changed by this virus. As bad as things feel now, we will eventually get on top of the epidemic and in a few short years this period will be a distant memory. I'm not saying there won't be permanent changes - I believe this is a catalyst tha…

I think the largest change will be that we, as a global society, have discovered that there is a lot of things that are easier and better done remote, and that we will keep doing those things remote once we're done with the pandemic (whenever that will be). Working remote, as you mention, is one of those things.

Other things are clearly more efficient face-to-face, and in those cases things will probably go back to normal when it's possible.

Tourism will be... changed. At least here in Europe, the authorities are already talking about less international flights, focus on the train network, and so on, in order to see a more environmentally friendly post-COVID world. People aren't going to stop vacationing or something like that, but there's a chance that things like two-day train rides to Italy will become a thing again. My personal anecdote is that people seem to be restoring their old caravans and going camping this year. The main roads here have been with filled with caravans and RV's the last couple of weekends.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by kwhitefoot »

So nail bars, hair dressers, physiotherapists, dog groomers, painters and decorators, gardeners, and loads more are suddenly going to be equipped with, or replaced by, remote controlled robots?

Never mind that quite a few people actually enjoy being physically close to others.

The world is bigger than the Globe and Mail seems to think.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by kwhitefoot »

mdoms wrote: post #33

This is very strange to read from here in New Zealand, where life is fairly close to getting back to normal. I don't see any reason why our basic lifestyles should be permanently changed by this virus. As bad as things feel now, we will eventually get on top of the epidemic and in a few short years this period will be a distant memory. I'm not saying there won't be permanent changes - I believe this is a catalyst tha…

> people claiming that the tourism industry is permanently neutered

Everyone I know is itching to go on holiday! I have two long road trips that were planned before COVID which are now indefinitely delayed but absolutely not cancelled.

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by navbaker »

tialaramex wrote: post #93
navbaker wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Paid versions of Zoom implement stricter privacy measures and conform to formal security audits. I work for a government contractor and the paid version of Zoom we use is certified for official business according to some arcane standard.

So you figure Zoom lied to ordinary users saving all the money and effort needed to do it properly, but they made sure to also build a special secure version for their "paid" users who have an official certification? Let me suggest a question you'd be better off asking. Imagine that to your astonishment they just pocketed the money and gave you the same crap as everybody else, who do you think pays? Have you seen any…

I’m just relaying the (presumably reliable) information given to us by our fairly robust IT department. If you have credible evidence that Zoom is lying to their corporate partners, I will absolutely pass it along!

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by DennisP »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #2

May never operate strictly in person again, was the original title. I guess I'll give the benefit of the doubt that it was an honest mistake, but it's a mistake that vastly changes the meaning of the headline.

What is the length limit on HN titles?

Re: In-person services may never operate strictly in-person again

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Post by DennisP »

booleandilemma wrote: post #21

I know this isn't the popular opinion, but aren't we blowing the virus out of proportion a bit? Don't something like 20-25% of all New Yorkers already have antibodies? Doesn't that show the virus isn't that dangerous? The body count would be in the millions by now.

12.3% when they completed their antibody survey. Taking their death count a week later (because 2 weeks to develop antibodies, 3 weeks to die), and comparing to 12.3% of the NYS population, that equates to 1.1% fatality. An antibody survey in Spain got the same answer.

Herd immunity won't happen until about half the population has had the virus, and 1.1% of 330M is 1.8 million people dead. I'd call that fairly dangerous.

Also consider that many of the survivors end up with serious long-term health problems.

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