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Completely related to the article but completely unrelated to surface.... what's going on with those product pictures? The blur is all messed up... on the last picture the left side of the surface is gone.

Yeah, that's weird. If I had to guess, that's some sort of computational blur (like Apple's Portrait Mode, but who knows which implementation. Maybe the photo still has EXIF data to tell what the camera was.)

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I feel like MS laptops are getting bashed left and right by various online experts these days without a decent reason. Apple products are not less cheaper and follow the same "100EUR for a charger" scheme. If you calculate the totals, MS laptop is no more experiensive than the Apple one. Except with MS products you also get a true mobile experience if that is what you are after. The only drawback is Windows and its t…

(Not specific to Surface Go 2) I assure you there is sometimes a reason, which in my mind can be generalized as lack of attention to detail: I deployed Surface Laptop 3’s to my SMB and now hairline screen cracking [1] is popping up left and right. Why? Because MS opted not to put a rubber gasket around their screens so when they changed from fabric to metal wrist rests, the imperfect closure fit led to pieces of sand…

I’m not defending that design flaw but MacBook Pro’s haven’t exactly been free from issues themselves (up until their recent generation they had an ongoing problem with their keyboard that went on for years).

Frankly I miss the days when business machines weren’t made with aesthetics given as a priority.

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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I feel like MS laptops are getting bashed left and right by various online experts these days without a decent reason. Apple products are not less cheaper and follow the same "100EUR for a charger" scheme. If you calculate the totals, MS laptop is no more experiensive than the Apple one. Except with MS products you also get a true mobile experience if that is what you are after. The only drawback is Windows and its t…

This isn't a laptop and suffers from a bit of "neither one thing nor another" syndrome; it can be used as either a kinda awkward tablet, or a _really_ awkward laptop (good luck using one on your lap on a plane or train or something, say). I think a certain amount of scepticism is warranted. If you _just_ want a laptop, a laptop will be far better than this thing. If you just want a tablet, an iPad will be far better…

I disagree in case of Surface Book. I didn't try Go.

This is a powerful premium laptop which can be used not only for pleasant programming experience due to good keyboard and 4k screen but also gaming due to powerful GPU card. It does not get hot and loud as much as any traditional gaming laptop with the same GPU card because GPU and CPU are separated (GPU under the keyboard and CPU in the detachable screen). I mean this is like the biggest advantage of all Surface Book laptops that makes them powerful, silent and cool at the same time. It might be not as powerful as dedicated gaming laptops but it is better because it is not even half as hot and loud. And which of your gaming laptops can run at least two hours without a socket? Honestly, the battery life of my wife's Mac Air 2019 is laughable in comparison.

It is also a good tablet. The only disadvantage for as a tablet is battery life which is far less than in iPads and Android devices. But neither of them is 15 inch and is equipped with an iCore.

There is no alternative on the market for Surface Book 2. Recent Surface Book 3 might not be more powerful as the audience expected but I would go for it all the same just because how much more malleable this machine is. If you need a mobile pc, this is the one.

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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I feel like MS laptops are getting bashed left and right by various online experts these days without a decent reason. Apple products are not less cheaper and follow the same "100EUR for a charger" scheme. If you calculate the totals, MS laptop is no more experiensive than the Apple one. Except with MS products you also get a true mobile experience if that is what you are after. The only drawback is Windows and its t…

(Not specific to Surface Go 2) I assure you there is sometimes a reason, which in my mind can be generalized as lack of attention to detail: I deployed Surface Laptop 3’s to my SMB and now hairline screen cracking [1] is popping up left and right. Why? Because MS opted not to put a rubber gasket around their screens so when they changed from fabric to metal wrist rests, the imperfect closure fit led to pieces of sand…

After being subscribed to Louis Rossmann's YouTube channel for a while, I'm not sure Macs are much better in that regard (e.g. butterfly keyboard issues and replacement program, the bizarre cooling solution in new MacBook Air, pin layout that's very susceptible to liquid damage, etc.)

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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I feel like MS laptops are getting bashed left and right by various online experts these days without a decent reason. Apple products are not less cheaper and follow the same "100EUR for a charger" scheme. If you calculate the totals, MS laptop is no more experiensive than the Apple one. Except with MS products you also get a true mobile experience if that is what you are after. The only drawback is Windows and its t…

Use Microsoft Surface Laptop 2 and 3 for work, have to disagree that the only drawback is software. The trackpad is significantly worse on Microsoft devices than Apple fairly consistently. Even the new Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro trackpad, albeit smaller in size, is more sensitive and accurate than the Surface Laptop 3's.

That's purely software, if you use Windows under Boot Camp on a MacBook it will be identical to a PC

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You reckon these kind of tablet/laptops would be able to handle remote desktop smoothly? Since the quarantine started I've been using my laptop to remote desktop to my PC in the office (I need a pretty hefty machine so a laptop doesn't cut it). I've been surprised how well it works and opens a world of possibilities for me. I'd imagine I'm not the only one realizing this.

I wondered a similar thing regarding remote development using VS Code's remote-dev plugins (for SSH and/or Containers). I've done this workflow (i.e. used a local VS Code to develop on code hosted on a remote machine) quite a lot, but always using fairly well specced laptops (Core i7s, 16+gb ram etc) to connect to the remote and the experience has largely been seamless. Anyone got any experience of this? Looking at m…

A Surface Go has been computationally sufficient for remote SSH dev use for VS Code with Rust with my (admittedly small) projects. I no longer bring my XPS 15 when visiting parents for extended visits. The 10" screen/keyboard is a drawback, obviously, but performance hasn't been since it's the remote machine doing the heavy lifting.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only drawback is Windows and its tooling Oh goo, I was worried it was a serious drawback. Also try reselling a Surface Go 2 in 3 years compared to a MacBook Air/Pro.

This is debatable but I would agree to some extend that it is easier to resell MacBook Air/Pro than Surface. I would also argue that it is rather due to higher familiarity with Apple products, not hardware. In anyway, this is not an argument in favor of Apple products.

I would say it definitely is an argument. I recently sold my 2016 15” MacBook Pro for $1,400. It held on to nearly 50% of its value.

I tend to upgrade every three years and this cuts the effective price in half. It is no different than factoring in resale value on a car or house purchase.

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Use Microsoft Surface Laptop 2 and 3 for work, have to disagree that the only drawback is software. The trackpad is significantly worse on Microsoft devices than Apple fairly consistently. Even the new Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro trackpad, albeit smaller in size, is more sensitive and accurate than the Surface Laptop 3's.

That's purely software, if you use Windows under Boot Camp on a MacBook it will be identical to a PC

> That's purely software, if you use Windows under Boot Camp on a MacBook it will be identical to a PC

Right, but Microsoft owns both the hardware and the software stack here. It's not like they're reviewing an Asus laptop and complaining about the trackpad.

Re: Microsoft Surface Go 2 review

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post #84

I feel like MS laptops are getting bashed left and right by various online experts these days without a decent reason. Apple products are not less cheaper and follow the same "100EUR for a charger" scheme. If you calculate the totals, MS laptop is no more experiensive than the Apple one. Except with MS products you also get a true mobile experience if that is what you are after. The only drawback is Windows and its t…

(Not specific to Surface Go 2) I assure you there is sometimes a reason, which in my mind can be generalized as lack of attention to detail: I deployed Surface Laptop 3’s to my SMB and now hairline screen cracking [1] is popping up left and right. Why? Because MS opted not to put a rubber gasket around their screens so when they changed from fabric to metal wrist rests, the imperfect closure fit led to pieces of sand…

Had the same experience with the pro 2 i think. Ran a small shop(15 peeps) and everybody liked the pro 2. I think we bought 5 or 6. One of those lasted more than a year. Heating, battery, screen, charger. And the dock was badly missing USB ports.

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I feel like MS laptops are getting bashed left and right by various online experts these days without a decent reason. Apple products are not less cheaper and follow the same "100EUR for a charger" scheme. If you calculate the totals, MS laptop is no more experiensive than the Apple one. Except with MS products you also get a true mobile experience if that is what you are after. The only drawback is Windows and its t…

Windows does have its flaws (e.g. the useless built-in search), but its window management and taskbar UI is the best of any OS I've ever seen - the live previews on hover, the way it interacts with middle click just like browser tabs/links, the window snapping with multiple monitors, etc. We'll see what WSL 2 brings to the table.
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