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Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by reacharavindh »

phamilton wrote: post #86
rb808 wrote: post #66

Buying your own Physical hardware is so cheap now its crazy. A commodity Ryzen 16 vCPU box is about the same price as 2 months rent on EC2. I get maintenance, electricity and bandwidth isn't free but I honestly thought cloud server prices would be much lower by now. No wonder AWS is making huge profits.

Could someone a little more familiar with buying their own hardware tell me how much hardware equivalent to a c5.12xlarge (48 cores, 96 GB) would cost? Spot prices are around $0.80/hr, which puts total compute cost at $7k/yr. On demand is $2.04/hr ($17k/yr), reserved is 1.20/hr ($10k/yr).

Not exactly what you asked for. But, we bought an AMD server to test at our HPC cluster. AMD EPYC 7302P (16cores, 32 threads), 512 GiB of 3200 MHZ RDIMM, 10GBE, 3.2TiB of 12Gbps SAS SSD. It came out to be approx 48000 DKK (excluding VAT). That is approx. $7000. Fewer cores machine with faster clocks and we mostly use it for its memory channels(8).

Our typical buy - 2 socket intel cascade lake Xeon Gold 6256(12 Cores, 24 threads) with 768 GiB of RDIMM costs us approx. 70000 DKK or $10200.

The biggest cost here is memory. Just to give you an idea.

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by rumanator »

jpalomaki wrote: post #84
rb808 wrote: post #66

Buying your own Physical hardware is so cheap now its crazy. A commodity Ryzen 16 vCPU box is about the same price as 2 months rent on EC2. I get maintenance, electricity and bandwidth isn't free but I honestly thought cloud server prices would be much lower by now. No wonder AWS is making huge profits.

Check the prices for example on Hezner or some other company which provides dedicated boxes. They are totally different from big cloud. Like 6 cores and 256GB memory for 150€/month (one older server I have there). Of course these don’t scale dynamically. And you don’t just create copied of the servers. And they don’t have 100 security certifications like Azure/AWS. And no data centers in every jurisdiction.

> Like 6 cores and 256GB memory for 150€/month (one older server I have there).

As I've mentioned in another post, Hetzner also sells for less than 50€/month dedicated hosts with 64GB of RAM running an Intel i7 6700 professor (4 cores, 8threads).

With that you also get unlimited network traffic over a dedicated 1Gb connection.

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by aldkj32 »

phamilton wrote: post #86
rb808 wrote: post #66

Buying your own Physical hardware is so cheap now its crazy. A commodity Ryzen 16 vCPU box is about the same price as 2 months rent on EC2. I get maintenance, electricity and bandwidth isn't free but I honestly thought cloud server prices would be much lower by now. No wonder AWS is making huge profits.

Could someone a little more familiar with buying their own hardware tell me how much hardware equivalent to a c5.12xlarge (48 cores, 96 GB) would cost? Spot prices are around $0.80/hr, which puts total compute cost at $7k/yr. On demand is $2.04/hr ($17k/yr), reserved is 1.20/hr ($10k/yr).

mhm, interesting question... i am not dabbing in the server space just in consumer hardware...

1x ryzen 3990x with 64 cores(128 vcores) would be 4k € 1x a mainboard ~0,5k € 1x 128 GB RAM ~ 0,7k € Storage, whatever you need 0.5k case + power supply 0.3k

so 6k all around for a much higher perfomance pc...

a ryzen 24cores(48vcores) ~ 1k 1x a mainboard ~0,3k 1x 96GB Ram ~0,5k Storage, whatever you need 0.5k case + power supply 0.3k

so 2.6 k should be around the same in raw consumer hardware

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by rumanator »

phamilton wrote: post #86
rb808 wrote: post #66

Buying your own Physical hardware is so cheap now its crazy. A commodity Ryzen 16 vCPU box is about the same price as 2 months rent on EC2. I get maintenance, electricity and bandwidth isn't free but I honestly thought cloud server prices would be much lower by now. No wonder AWS is making huge profits.

Could someone a little more familiar with buying their own hardware tell me how much hardware equivalent to a c5.12xlarge (48 cores, 96 GB) would cost? Spot prices are around $0.80/hr, which puts total compute cost at $7k/yr. On demand is $2.04/hr ($17k/yr), reserved is 1.20/hr ($10k/yr).

Not the same as buying hardware, but Hetzner offers dedicated AMD Epyc 7502p instances (32 cores, 128GB RAM, free egress) for less than 150€/month.

So you can just get somewhere between 5 to 7 of those instances for the price you're paying for your single EC2 instance.

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by ptman »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #56
doctorfoo wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

this. the only way I can make profit with my web service is by using a third party low budget CDN as a caching layer. Even with that, S3 data transfer remains my biggest cost. if I could spare the time, I'd make a custom caching layer so that S3 is never hit at all except for upload, and is used only for disaster recovery.

Backblaze B2 is what you’re looking for.

And they are in the bandwidth alliance with cloudflare

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by neurostimulant »

gazoakley wrote: post #87
neurostimulant wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Egress is expensive, therefore you're less likely to use other cheaper cloud vendors to host some part of your infra and keep everything inside aws network (as internal aws bandwidth is free even halfway across the world). Also if you have huge amount of data, moving them out of aws into another cloud would net you a hefty bandwidth bills so you're less likely to consider moving.

Not true (unfortunately). Transfer within an AZ is free, but go outside that and the pricing is a minefield: https://twitter.com/QuinnyPig/status/1172239124251709449?s=1...

Ah you're right, I somehow remember it as free.

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by klohto »

jread wrote: post #59
SteveNuts wrote: post #47

I'm waiting for the day they announce bandwidth price cuts

AWS Lightsail is a possible workaround for bandwidth heavy simple workloads. The smallest $3.50/mo instance (t2.nano behind the scenes), comes with 1TB outbound bandwidth - equivalent of about $90 for the same in EC2 excluding the instance cost, and bundled bandwidth increases for larger types.

I wouldn’t risk AWS closing the account. It should work, but don’t know how would AWS view it.

"You may not use Amazon Lightsail in a manner intended to avoid incurring data fees from other Services (e.g., proxying network traffic from Services to the public Internet or other destinations or excessive data processing through load balancing Services as described in the Documentation), and if you do, we may throttle or suspend your data services or suspend your account."

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by developer2 »

latch wrote: post #89
phamilton wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could someone a little more familiar with buying their own hardware tell me how much hardware equivalent to a c5.12xlarge (48 cores, 96 GB) would cost? Spot prices are around $0.80/hr, which puts total compute cost at $7k/yr. On demand is $2.04/hr ($17k/yr), reserved is 1.20/hr ($10k/yr).

Not colocated, but in the US, you can find a dual EPYC 7742 (64 cores) with 512GB of ram (with ssds, hdds, and bandwidth included) for $1000/m. This should absolutely demolish the c5.12xlarge, especially if you need any disk IO or bandwidth. Or from a different provider, a Dual Epyc 7281 (32 cores) with 256GB (and ssds, hdds and bandwith included) for $400/m. You can get cheaper if you're willing to host in Europe. A…

To add context to the downvotes you've acquired: I didn't downvote you, but I think I understand why others did. Your parent comment was asking about 96 GB of RAM, and you posted a reply talking about 512 RAM. I suspect others thought you were talking about 512 MB (ie. 0.5 GB of RAM, which is common in very cheap hosting) rather than the 512 GB of RAM you actually commented on. When I first read your comment, I admit I first saw "512 MB", but you quite clearly wrote "512 GB".

tldr; The number "512" when talked about in the context of RAM is assumed to be measured in MB, but 512 GB is also a less-commonly-encountered amount of RAM. :)

Re: AWS EC2 General Price Cut

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Post by DmitryOlshansky »

rb808 wrote: post #66

Buying your own Physical hardware is so cheap now its crazy. A commodity Ryzen 16 vCPU box is about the same price as 2 months rent on EC2. I get maintenance, electricity and bandwidth isn't free but I honestly thought cloud server prices would be much lower by now. No wonder AWS is making huge profits.

It’s buy vs build but with people being routinely misled about how much it costs to build and the fact that it doesn’t have to be all or nothing.

Some companies are making billions of dollars, that’s why we see so much content about the cloud and very few about building your own cloud with dedicated providers, which by the way handle electricity, network and basic hardware maintenance for pennies compared to cloud guys. They even have some basic managed services like backups, S3-compatible storage etc. these days.

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