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Re: Convincing-looking 90s fonts in modern browsers

#91
As a child of the $PAST in the UK, I lived in three overlapping Internet worlds. Acorn RISC OS 3, Mac OS 7.5 at home and increasing amounds of Windows 95/98.

The Acorn ecosystem was way ahead until it suddenly wasn't. But my first webppage in about 1996 was made on an Acorn machine and, as far as I recall, the text was antialiased back then.

Re: Convincing-looking 90s fonts in modern browsers

#92

I hate antialiasing. I absolutely cannot stand blurry fonts. First thing I do on a Linux box is install the ambiguously licensed "mscorefonts" and disable antialiasing everywhere possible. That is explained in the font-howto that may be a bit outdated now. Verdana for the interface, Times New Roman, Courier New for monospace ... aaaaahhhhh!

I also never understood why people like blurry fonts so much. To me, win2k fonts were much better than the ones we have today.

I guess it‘s because Apple did it.

Re: Convincing-looking 90s fonts in modern browsers

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> My '90s computer had a single 1280x1024 CRT where I always had to tweak the focus and alignment to get readable text. With no GPU, scrolling in an editor was always an exercise in patience, watching the text repaint line by line. I don't intend to insult, but to me this came across to me as a kid larping as someone who used computers in the 90s. Computers have improved by hardly imaginable magnitudes, but latency a…

I remember text editing UIs struggling when the machine was otherwise overloaded. Although that started happening much more when text editors started to be written in garbage collected languages more often, which I put in the current century. I still get that today if I use an old machine and/or a fancy text editor.

Well at least this retro experience is back with Javascript laden apps, that feel like they pull ui elements from a 56k connection

Re: Convincing-looking 90s fonts in modern browsers

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Lots more examples https://twitter.com/wayback_exe Edit: for contrast with more personal sites, try https://twitter.com/gifmodel/status/456761420319686656

I'm always amazed at how universally terrible graphic design was during the 90s, and I mean at the level of big-name corporations (not GeoCities laypeople). In-house Designers at these businesses (or contractors at the equally big-name firms they hired out to) were presumably well-educated and steeped in the history of the medium, but churned out nearly unintelligible, ugly garbage. Most of the design principles that…

New tools. Same as today. Ui designers have been replaced by algos generating nr of clicks, and programmers by JavaScript frameworks and libs.

Remember there was a time, a sweetspot, when browsing was something that would never tax any modern computer?

Nowadays, with my work issued laptop, many web pages (especially apps) load slow or are laggy. They even continue to load stuff while I scroll, which makes everything worse.

And we got used to that, just because each week a new tool, tracker or framework comes out that just needs to be out on the page post haste.

The stuff that web developers get away with through the ages would have gotten other devs fired. Look at how crisp and usable the Win2k UI was, while web pages looked like that.

Web devs today are the same people who put font gifs, colorful backgrounds, flash intros and midi files on websites back then.

Re: Convincing-looking 90s fonts in modern browsers

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LOL! Funny how doing something in 2020 takes ten times the resources for doing the same thing in 1995. Every pixel on these fonts is now a complex vector path.

> ten times the resources for doing the same thing Is it really ten times the resources, and really doing the same thing? My computer today uses much less power than what I had in the '90s, and cost less too. It has an internal 4K display and two external 4K displays. My '90s computer had a single 1280x1024 CRT where I always had to tweak the focus and alignment to get readable text. With no GPU, scrolling in an edit…

Watching text repaint line by line is a feature of 9600 baud serial terminals, not of 90s PC GUIs.

Re: Convincing-looking 90s fonts in modern browsers

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post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My '90s computer had a single 1280x1024 CRT where I always had to tweak the focus and alignment to get readable text. With no GPU, scrolling in an editor was always an exercise in patience, watching the text repaint line by line. I don't intend to insult, but to me this came across to me as a kid larping as someone who used computers in the 90s. Computers have improved by hardly imaginable magnitudes, but latency a…

I remember text editing UIs struggling when the machine was otherwise overloaded. Although that started happening much more when text editors started to be written in garbage collected languages more often, which I put in the current century. I still get that today if I use an old machine and/or a fancy text editor.

Emacs has always been written in Lisp, and it's possible for badly written code to make it lock up. Not a new complaint on low RAM machines where the gc and paging interact badly. But you need very low RAM by today's standards.

Re: Convincing-looking 90s fonts in modern browsers

#99

Hello! Co-founder here – wow, front page, that's flattering! We have indeed still got a bunch of visual glitches we couldn't iron out, including the one ~saagarjha has reported to WebKit! We had assumed it was our font being broken, but i'm keen to follow that one. Otherwise getting hinting right on all browsers in high-DPI has basically been impossible. Maybe we should simply recommend everyone use a Windows 98 User…

Would you consider sharing the .ttf?

Re: Convincing-looking 90s fonts in modern browsers

#100

I hate antialiasing. I absolutely cannot stand blurry fonts. First thing I do on a Linux box is install the ambiguously licensed "mscorefonts" and disable antialiasing everywhere possible. That is explained in the font-howto that may be a bit outdated now. Verdana for the interface, Times New Roman, Courier New for monospace ... aaaaahhhhh!

The first thing that comes to my mind is: Are you joking? But I wonder to myself: what does he call blurry fonts. Anti-aliased fonts, of course. But I've never seen them as blurry and I guess most other people don't, otherwise we'd not like them better. Don't you think there could be a sight specificity? Do you have extremely sharp eyesight?
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