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Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by Skinney »

FalconSensei wrote: post #26
detaro wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is @gmail.com different than any other @domain.com?

Do a social experiment. When you are at a store and they ask your email for your receipt, try giving then your email, and compare their expressions and the time they need to input it in the system if it's gmail or your own domain.

Is this an american thing? At least in Norway, it’s not uncommon with personal domains, work emails, using your internet provider emails or using hotmail or icloud.

It seems strange to me that gmail would be the default anywhere.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by faitswulff »

TulliusCicero wrote: post #85

Wow. > When it comes to uploading videos, PeerTube is a joy to use and a lot more straightforward than YouTube with its bazillions of options and “is that for children??? is it OK to show to my 2 years old?” ridiculous regulatory checks. So basically: - Google doesn't have checks: "Wow, look how irresponsible Google is." - Google does have checks: "Wow, look how annoying Google is."

This is literally one checkbox. Taxes are ridiculous. This is just slightly less convenient.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by twomoretime »

vertex-four wrote: post #33
olah_1 wrote: post #7

The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

GMail won because I had to keep deleting email from my old provider, Google was pretending to "not be evil", and they offered me an ever-increasing amount of storage. Then I told my friends about it. Eventually, everyone used it because everyone who should've known better (myself included) recommended it to them.

I don't doubt that Google pre IPO probably believed in their motto. It's the investor influence that has gradually steered Google into lucrative but ethically questionable domains.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by sneak »

paroneayea wrote: post #35
olah_1 wrote: post #7

The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

Hi! I'm one of the co-authors of ActivityPub, and I agree with you. I wrote a very out-of-date writeup about bridging ActivityPub and P2P networks some time ago: https://github.com/WebOfTrustInfo/rwot5-boston/blob/master/f... I think you'll find it agrees with your assessments. DNS and SSL Certificate Authorities centralize an otherwise sensible decentralized system. It's out of date because work has continued. Here'…

What's your AP username? I would like to follow you to keep up with these developments and maybe pitch in where I can. I did a quick googling but didn't find anything.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

krainboltgreene wrote: post #77
emersion wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>When I sign up for gmail, I can just be myself. I don't have to be myself + something else. Well, it's still you + gmail.com. It could be you + fastmail.com, it could be you + posteo.de, it could be you + . You still chose gmail over another provider, like you could choose cucumbers.pizza over another provider in the case of the Fediverse.

The point was that GMail became so ubiquitus as to no longer be a part of the equation. I remember in 2009~ forms automatically adding @gmail.com.

...but gmail isn't that ubiquitous! A large majority of the emails I receive are from non-gmail addresses. True, most of these are related to where people work, but still, it drives decentralization, and I think most people understand that email ≠ gmail.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by ajayyy »

detaro wrote: post #51
tehwebguy wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTubers are beholden to YouTube, YouTube is beholden to advertisers. When advertisers realized that a stupid percentage of their ad spend was going to four-year-olds watching six hours of unlicensed Disney characters in kinky scenarios it was the perfect storm for change. Keeping perceived ad value up to advertisers is why creators even have the opp to monetize at the rate they do, so it’s really give and take.

Trouble with the FTC is much more responsible for this than advertisers.

Advertisers love to advertise to kids. This is in no way what the advertisers want.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by JoshTriplett »

olah_1 wrote: post #7

The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

While I don't agree that "gmail" is "be myself", I do think the biggest missing piece from the Fediverse is an easy, straightforward way to handle "I already have a domain and an email at that domain, I want to use that domain for the fediverse, without hosting anyone else's content that might create liability or annoyance".

I have an email address. That unique identifier is also what I'd want to use for the fediverse. So how do I most easily do that?

(This isn't going to be a universal expectation; email at your own domain is not incredibly common. But it's also not exceedingly rare, especially among technical folks, or among folks with a personal "brand" and social media presence.)

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by einpoklum »

vertex-four wrote: post #33
olah_1 wrote: post #7

The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

GMail won because I had to keep deleting email from my old provider, Google was pretending to "not be evil", and they offered me an ever-increasing amount of storage. Then I told my friends about it. Eventually, everyone used it because everyone who should've known better (myself included) recommended it to them.

Not everyone recommended it to the masses. Some cautioned against it from the get-go - and Google was a problematic company with too much power already when GMail was being rolled out.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by soulofmischief »

Anon1096 wrote: post #81
soulofmischief wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you, and I have in mind a pretty decent solution worth exploring if I can generate the capital to throw at it. It involves separating the ad experience from the videos being consumed. You can still work out targeted deals, but the gist is that the advertiser generally has no control over which videos are seen before and after their ads and have no incentive to find out.

That's how it used to be, then people on social media such as Twitter started reporting things like "why is this Bounty ad next to a controversial figure like Pewdiepie". That's when companies paying for ads started to care and pulled funding.

Right, so the idea is to separate the two experiences, like I said.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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Post by mandelbrotwurst »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #95
krainboltgreene wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point was that GMail became so ubiquitus as to no longer be a part of the equation. I remember in 2009~ forms automatically adding @gmail.com.

...but gmail isn't that ubiquitous! A large majority of the emails I receive are from non-gmail addresses. True, most of these are related to where people work, but still, it drives decentralization, and I think most people understand that email ≠ gmail.

Many of those mails from non Google domains are still being processed by Gmail under the hood. Last I checked, I think Google was processing something like 2/3 of all email.
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