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YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by colmvp »

ThisIsTheWay wrote: post #9

One of the comments made in the video (referenced in the article as well) is "We always have between 37,000 and 60,000 deaths in the United States, every single year. No pandemic talk. No shelter in place. No shutting down businesses." Since early Feb we've seen ~54K deaths from Coronavirus alone (excluding influenza deaths) [0]. The argument that this is just part of the normal flu cycle doesn't make any sense. [0]…

And that's recorded cases.

There might be people who died from Covid-19 who weren't tested post-mortem, especially in February when the virus was flying under the radar.

NYTimes had an article which showed a number of places around the world have had a surge in deaths compared to the same time period in previous years. And even if you subtract the known Covid-19 cases, there's still a sharp increase in the count.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by forgot_my_pwd »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #55
joshuamorton wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's despite nearly nationwide shelter in place measures. If those hadn't been implemented, the toll could well be an order of magnitude higher.

What happens to at-risk people lockdown ends? They could continue to shelter, but if the rest of the world isn't, anybody they make contact with will put them at higher risk due to decreased practice of social distancing.

A natural byproduct of a functioning society has always been otherwise avoidable deaths: car accidents, workplace accidents, flu deaths, etc.

The idea that we can hide out until the virus completely disappears is a fantasy. The only sustainable path forward is targeted lockdown and isolation for the most vulnerable along with mustering our energies for testing and treatment.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by downerending »

deminature wrote: post #90
bofadeez wrote: post #86

It's literally terrifying that they removed this video. Someone uploaded a copy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25m0fm2LSIg

They said they're culling misinformation and they're doing it. I don't see what's terrifying about this. Maybe unsettling if you're aggressively pro-free speech, but 'terrifying' is very hyperbolic.

Your comment seems like misinformation to me. Surely HN should take it down.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by joshuaheard »

jaggederest wrote: post #85
manfredo wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are infections and death tolls in the countries with much less restrictive measures an order of magnitude higher?

Yes, actually. Here's an example, probably the best natural experiment we're going to see in this context. Five times more, depending on your idea of "order of magnitude". https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-loc...

An order of magnitude usually means 10x, ie 140 vs 14. According to your article, Sweden has had a lower death rate than the UK, Spain, or Italy.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by hn_check »

s9w wrote: post #3
samizdis wrote: post #2

It's still live at this link (at the time of posting): https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dr-erickson-covid-19...

I guess the bigger question about this is what possible reasons to remove there could be. The video itself is pretty famous now and available in many places.

Because YouTube is already known as one of the worst cancers on the internet, and has allowed the stupid to herd and multiply.

Flat Earth. Pizzagate. Soros conspiracies. Chemtrails. Anti-vaccers. These were all laughable fringe things that the disturbed came up with. Then YouTube came along and suddenly the stupid were discovering one another, confirming each other's idiocy.

YouTube is probably a little tired of this. The fringe can of course create their own video sites, just as they made their own "Twitter" and their own "Reddit" (all abysmal failures when they learn how miserable and deplorable they are).

LOL, dang -the enabler of right-wing asshats- has hellbanned me. ROFL. Eat a big ol' donkey dick, dang. You have turned HN into a AGW denying shithole.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by DanBC »

mikem170 wrote: post #34
javagram wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The “data presented by the two doctors” has obvious reasoning errors to anyone who has taken even high school math. At this point, how can you look at the number of people who died from COVID-19 in just the last month in NYC and claim this is no worse than the flu? https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/27/upshot/corona... The last flu to cause such a severe spike in mortality statistics was the devastating 1918…

>The last flu to cause such a severe spike in mortality statistics was the devastating 1918 Spanish flu The second wave of the 1918 flu killed between 17 to 50 million people, perhaps as high as 100 million people, during the fall of 1918, with a higher than expected mortality rate for the young and healthy. It killed between 1 and 6 percent of the world's population. So far 200,000 people have died from the coronavi…

> So far 200,000 people have died from the coronavirus.

No. We don't know the numbers because most countries don't have the numbers yet. This 200,000 number includes data from countries like the UK or US who are only counting confirmed covid-19 deaths. We know that deaths outside hospital make up about half the total, so we'd expect about 400,000 deaths.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by downerending »

forgot_my_pwd wrote: post #88
gmfawcett wrote: post #47

This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

Google/YouTube is moving from annoying to disgusting. If the claims are wrong, take them apart. Censorship is not the way.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by jaggederest »

joshuaheard wrote: post #95
jaggederest wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, actually. Here's an example, probably the best natural experiment we're going to see in this context. Five times more, depending on your idea of "order of magnitude". https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-loc...

An order of magnitude usually means 10x, ie 140 vs 14. According to your article, Sweden has had a lower death rate than the UK, Spain, or Italy.

Ah, this is hacker news - to me, an order of magnitude means double, 2^n where N=2 and N=>4, on deaths per 100k. Those are different countries, though, with much higher population density. This is the only case where culturally and demographically similar countries pursued different courses in a way that makes them eligible for direct comparison.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by dboreham »

manfredo wrote: post #79
joshuamorton wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's despite nearly nationwide shelter in place measures. If those hadn't been implemented, the toll could well be an order of magnitude higher.

Are infections and death tolls in the countries with much less restrictive measures an order of magnitude higher?

Don't need to look at other countries just compare New York with LA.
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