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An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month

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Re: An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month

#91
An average family in Tokyo does not live in a detached house so the whole argument is false. About 27% of the units are detached houses and the ratio is decreasing a bit.

Plus Tokyo is almost 100km wide. That's a huge area and of course there are places where housing is dirt cheap because people are fleeing away.

Re: An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month

#92
post #9

I think this headline is misleading in 2 ways. 1. yes you might get a house at this price but it's either 1-2 hours out of the city center (which is fine, just saying Tokyo is large.) Or alternatively it's in bad neighborhoods. (bad is relative if you are from the US) 2. your house will most likely look like this: https://www.ii-ie2.net/dat/5ba1164d.jpg Sayonara sunlight, hello neighbor. here are listings: https://ww…

And I am willing to bet that picture was taken somewhere like Shinagawa or Meguro, maybe Setagaya. Where houses like that start at a price rather double of what's stated in the article, potentially triple.

Re: An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month

#93
post #9

I think this headline is misleading in 2 ways. 1. yes you might get a house at this price but it's either 1-2 hours out of the city center (which is fine, just saying Tokyo is large.) Or alternatively it's in bad neighborhoods. (bad is relative if you are from the US) 2. your house will most likely look like this: https://www.ii-ie2.net/dat/5ba1164d.jpg Sayonara sunlight, hello neighbor. here are listings: https://ww…

>Or alternatively it's in bad neighborhoods. (bad is relative if you are from the US) I've never been to Japan, but I imagine that a bad Japanese neighborhood is incredibly safe compared to a bad U.S. neighborhood. In a bad U.S. neighborhood one has to regularly take precautions in order to not be physically assaulted or even killed by other people. >your house will most likely look like this: https://www.ii-ie2.net/…

Bad Japanese neighborhood means its a cheap place meant for families but unfortunately became a black hole for old people to die in obscurity

Re: An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month

#94
post #9

I think this headline is misleading in 2 ways. 1. yes you might get a house at this price but it's either 1-2 hours out of the city center (which is fine, just saying Tokyo is large.) Or alternatively it's in bad neighborhoods. (bad is relative if you are from the US) 2. your house will most likely look like this: https://www.ii-ie2.net/dat/5ba1164d.jpg Sayonara sunlight, hello neighbor. here are listings: https://ww…

Given your name, I guess you live in Japan, so I'll just give my opinion for others who have never lived here. I also think the title is misleading, though I wouldn't express it so dramatically. One thing to consider is that Tokyo is a prefecture, not a city. There are rural areas of Tokyo (like really rural), though most of it is very suburban. Anybody who has lived in the suburbs in western countries would probably…

Yeah, a new house like that in an upscale or hip area like Hiroo or Azabu or something with 3 bedrooms will be well above 2million dollars.

On the other hand, rural (so cheap) areas are less packed so sunlight is less of an issue.

Re: An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month

#95
post #8

This article is citing another article from the same source [1] "The typical Tokyo metro area starter home would be an apartment (around 750 square feet) or detached wooden house (around 970 square feet) located in the outer suburbs. According to Zoe Ward of Japan Property Central, the average Tokyo office worker has about a one-hour commute by train each morning." So part of the answer is that homes are tiny by Amer…

Even square footage isn't a perfect metric for cross-national comparison. For example, furniture in Japan (at places like Nitori) is often designed for smaller spaces. When I lived there, a $300 couch fit[1] perfectly in my living room, while it would've looked hilariously undersized in any North American house. I was more comfortable in that apartment, approx 480 sqft, than I was in a 1000 sqft apartment I had in No…

No doubt. American homes don't use floor space very efficiently.

Re: An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month

#96
post #59

The cultural differences make this comparison less meaningful than you’d expect. In Japan you absolutely never have friends over to your house or apartment. Everyone meets at bars or restaurants. Similar to nyc, many apartments in Tokyo are a few hundred square feet and literally only serve as a place to sleep and shower. That means houses aren’t such a major thing and so the Japanese invest way less time and energy…

> absolutely never have friends over to your house or apartment

Absolute statements like that are just clearly not true. I've been to Japanese friends' apartments, even visited friends' family barbecue or wine tasting night.

Less common doesn't mean it never happens.

Re: An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month

#97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sayonara sunlight, hello neighbor. This is the sort of thing that markets solve really well. If you want a dwelling unit with those properties, pay for it. If they're less important to you than cost, don't. If one is $300,000 and the other $600,000, it's very reasonable to choose affordability and go to a park.

From my observational experience, and limited study on the issue, markets don't seem to be solving this optimally, at least in Melbourne, Australia. Overall, the market for apartments seems to be supply constrained. The main factors: 1. Government approval is required to build large apartment buildings. In general, this seems to lag behind demand. 2. Large buildings take a long time to build 3. There have been a numb…

If there is an oversupply of "low quality apartments" whatever that even means then surely people have flocked to the high quality apartments?

Re: An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month

#98
post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> despite being substantially smaller in population than countries with economies of comparable size Which countries would that be? There are very few with economies of comparable size. The next above Japan is nearly three times larger (China). Besides, it's super easy to avoid that GDP / population confusion by looking at GDP per capita. The US GDP per capita figure ($65,111) for 2019 was 59% higher than Japan ($40,…

Yes, China and the US, which are both substantially larger in population. Japan also outperforms most countries that outsize it in terms of population. >Besides, it's super easy to avoid that GDP / population confusion by looking at GDP per capita. Not so much. A high GDP per capita is a poor measure of the average person's economic wellbeing on its own. Looking at it within the context of measures of economic inequa…

Exactly. And I'd rather be sick in Japan with their healthcare costs than USA with their healthcare cost as an median salaryman.

Re: An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month

#99
As someone who's invested pretty heavily in real estate over the last few years (Seattle) I sometimes ponder if we are all eventually destined to a fate similar to that of Japan's. It seems to me that the US is only a superpower because we were geographically fortunate to not share contiguous borders with Europe post WWII and we've taken that for granted. Policy makers in the US don't have a long enough horizon to adequately plan for the future; and birthrates are projected to fall—it's hard to say how much, but, eventually, even below replacement rates (?).

As of late I have started to question the long-term prospect of indefinite economic growth, and what the implications of challenging the status-quo here are. I would be interested as to what people's perspectives are around the likelihood of advanced nations inevitably sharing a fate similar to Japan's.

Re: An average family in Tokyo can own a new house for $850/month

#100
post #24

> The first thing to note is that in Japan, housing isn’t an investment. It’s a place to live. The country’s slow population growth means that increases in property values aren’t guaranteed I feel like this is a misleading way to put it. Japanese houses decrease in value, generally quite severely - the conventional wisdom is that after a few decades you might as well just tear it down and build a new one. So there's…

Ah, how the wheel of life turns. Back before the Lost Decades ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_Decade_(Japan) ), Japan was a completely different country. " JAPAN'S 100-YEAR BANK LOANS (FORTUNE Magazine) By Susan Moffat May 21, 1990 " (FORTUNE Magazine) – The Japanese, famous for saving, are now loading their future generations with debt. Nippon Mortgage and Japan Housing Loan, two big home lenders, are offering…

Japan introduced taxes to remove the incentives for speculative investments in realestate. The changes mostly seemed to have worked, but it came at a high cost for the speculators.
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