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Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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throwlaplace wrote: post #74
downerending wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that there is a lot of discussion in serious circles (including here on HN) about the balance between too much and not enough with respect to quarantine, lockdown, etc., both in terms of where we are now and what we should do in the near future. I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery, even if they may disagree radically about how to do that. It…

> see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery, even if they may disagree radically about how to do that. Are you serious? You see little reason? What is the logical fallacy where someone relativites and discounts in order to claim good faith? You see this massive coordinated effort to antagonize and concerted effort to obfuscate the leadership of the effort and you thi…

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Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by aaron695 »

This religion of 'lockdown' is righteousness is pretty indicative of normal human behaviour now.

If you actually read the 'lockdown' scriptures it does state the 'lockdown' will end, it also talks about how the devil of herd immunity will eventually live amongst us.

The exact time of rapture of ending the 'lockdown' is not stated in the scriptures but it's not totally unreasonable to think it's now.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by netsharc »

kevinventullo wrote: post #39
downerending wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that there is a lot of discussion in serious circles (including here on HN) about the balance between too much and not enough with respect to quarantine, lockdown, etc., both in terms of where we are now and what we should do in the near future. I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery, even if they may disagree radically about how to do that. It…

I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery At the risk of sounding inflammatory, there are pretty clearly some actors who would welcome death and misery upon others if it meant they made some money.

Or to stay in power. Since their logic is a running economy -> stock market good -> Their faction gets reelected.

I wonder how fearful the kakistocracy are about losing in November, they've been so blatantly saying that black is white for the last 4 years (watch this comment get downvoted because "Black is white!") , and they might have to face the consequences of that.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by Exmoor »

oldsklgdfth wrote: post #83
downerending wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that there is a lot of discussion in serious circles (including here on HN) about the balance between too much and not enough with respect to quarantine, lockdown, etc., both in terms of where we are now and what we should do in the near future. I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery, even if they may disagree radically about how to do that. It…

RFI: I'm interested in learning more about an alternative strategy to the lockdown.

The most plausible one I've heard was to heavily quarantine people at higher risk of dying or having severe complications from COVID-19 while having looser restrictions on people highly unlikely to suffer serious consequences. This would, theoretically, allow the virus to propagate throughout the population and a herd immunity to develop naturally.

It's relatively close to what's being done in Sweden, so I guess we'll at least end up with something of a test-case in retrospect.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by wyager »

tomcam wrote: post #85
gdubs wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m too tired at the moment to figure out where I stand on this [issue of free speech / assembly] but I have a general question: I thought the Supreme Court has already shown that there are limits to speech, such as yelling “Fire” in a crowded theater. I guess the distinction is how directly the speech leads to harm. Would that apply in this situation where most medical experts would agree that the quarantine is nece…

Not a constitutional issue because FB, Google, etc. are private companies and can tweak the search results however they see fit.

While I don't endorse this state of affairs, the federal government has been putting constraints and obligations on private (especially commercial) speech for decades.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by wyager »

kevinventullo wrote: post #39
downerending wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that there is a lot of discussion in serious circles (including here on HN) about the balance between too much and not enough with respect to quarantine, lockdown, etc., both in terms of where we are now and what we should do in the near future. I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery, even if they may disagree radically about how to do that. It…

I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery At the risk of sounding inflammatory, there are pretty clearly some actors who would welcome death and misery upon others if it meant they made some money.

Sure, like China using its influence over the WHO to mislead about the nature of the outbreak within its borders and exclude Taiwan from the international health community. I'm more worried about that than some powerless randos who are mad about the massive QALY loss we're currently going through.

Re: Facebook says it has removed promotion of anti-quarantine events

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Post by sfkdjf9j3j »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #60
Lammy wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government can be forcing Facebook's hand by making Facebook fearful of being investigated, fined, broken up, etc if they are found to have allowed manipulation of the 2020 election in any way, and the coronavirus and related topics have become unfortunately intertwined in that.

Huh? If any forcing is going on -- which there isn't -- they would presumably be forced to toe the Trump party line, not to suppress or censor it. Wouldn't the present Federal government be happy if Facebook were to encourage protests and general disrespect for warnings from health authorities? If anything, Facebook's actions here are courageous. It takes a lot to get me to defend Facebook, but the arguments popping…

Well, the official Trump party line is indeed that social distancing and other restrictions are still necessary. This is a very confusing situation since the protesters against the protective measures seem to be almost exclusively from Trump's base.

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Post by mcculley »

bargl wrote: post #87
downerending wrote: post #24

It's worth noting that there is a lot of discussion in serious circles (including here on HN) about the balance between too much and not enough with respect to quarantine, lockdown, etc., both in terms of where we are now and what we should do in the near future. I see little reason to doubt that all involved are trying to minimize general death and misery, even if they may disagree radically about how to do that. It…

We tend to want to lump people into camps so we don't have to go through and see all the various sub-categories and determine if they are OK or not. Some states are restricting fishing and hunting... That's not a team sport and if I use a lure (edit: as in I don't even have to go to the store for bait) I'm not going to affect anyone else. Some protesters want to get haircuts.... GET OVER IT. I feel like both sides ha…

It's no surprise that a culture that didn't plan ahead or invest in public health infrastructure has haphazard and poorly defined processes.
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