Certainly would feel creepy, if I knew it was happening. But, I would ask, beyond a gut feeling of being creepy, what particular objections does anyone have to this? Do you believe employers are not entitled, either legally or ethically, to do this on their own equipment?
I think the main objection is that these companies are treating their employees as an enemy rather than part of a team.
Seems to me to be a very strong indicator of a toxic workplace
Hypothetical question: if your employer offered you the option of extra compensation to install keyloggers/screen capture software on your work computer, and you know that the logs are only being used for aggregate productivity statistics of the firm (de-anonymized), how much do you think would be a fair price? Assumption: you use a separate computer for your personal computing needs not related to work.
I would decline, if it doubled my salary.
that is invasive, and they don't need the information.
This makes me really glad that our company policy thus far has been giving employees new machines and have them set them up themselves. I know my work laptop has no spyware because I didn't install any.
I guessed my company's admin password and erased their partition. If I get laid off (they're cutting 20% of the workforce next week), then I consider the computer my severance pay. If they press the issue, they can come to my house and collect the machine. But I'll lick every part of it before I hand it over. Childish? Oh, heck yeah. But when I see my own company screwing over its employees and customers to protect t…
This makes me really glad that our company policy thus far has been giving employees new machines and have them set them up themselves. I know my work laptop has no spyware because I didn't install any.
That's what they want you to think.
I was given a laptop and told to put any linux distro on it that I wanted. So I'm pretty sure ;-)
This makes me really glad that our company policy thus far has been giving employees new machines and have them set them up themselves. I know my work laptop has no spyware because I didn't install any.
I guessed my company's admin password and erased their partition. If I get laid off (they're cutting 20% of the workforce next week), then I consider the computer my severance pay. If they press the issue, they can come to my house and collect the machine. But I'll lick every part of it before I hand it over. Childish? Oh, heck yeah. But when I see my own company screwing over its employees and customers to protect t…
I would seriously reconsider this. They won't come to collect it, they will simply file a police report and the police will show up at your home. Depending on the laptop, where you live, your record, this could end up as a felony, and will certainly hinder your future employment.
I know its tempting and it's likely your only recourse but it won't work out for you in the end.
Why is it tied to time, instead of deliverables? I mean, if I work extra hard to get the days work done in 4 hours, why can’t I leave early compared to a co-worker who is working less focused and more slowly? I get that it’s not easy to set good milestones, and to keep it fair in terms of making sure everyone has approximately equal work, but I feel the same problems exist with required work “time” especially since i…
I worked for a startup where the founder/CEO mandated 40 hours of work a week, no more or less. He would always say “I want you to work your ass off while you’re here but I also don’t want you taking this home with you. The company is paying you for forty hours of your time a week.” The expectation, which everyone seemed to find fair enough, was that if you didn’t have enough to fill 40 hours that you find other proj…
There is no incentive to find ways to accomplish more or better other than personal drive then, though (and personal drive eventually wears thin on its own, imho). If you have to work 40 hours, even if you get everything done early (in which case you gotta take the next task from the list, a never ending grind -- when do you get to celebrate a job well done?), even if you're head isn't in it (maybe you're not feeling well, or have something else going on, or are just bored, or have a day of mental block), you gotta get your hours in. Even if you have some very focused productive days and get everything done in record time, you gotta get your hours in.
Why is it tied to time, instead of deliverables? I mean, if I work extra hard to get the days work done in 4 hours, why can’t I leave early compared to a co-worker who is working less focused and more slowly? I get that it’s not easy to set good milestones, and to keep it fair in terms of making sure everyone has approximately equal work, but I feel the same problems exist with required work “time” especially since i…
Quite possibly the work is time base, not delivery based. Eg. A call center employees might need to be on-call (time) even if there are no active calls (deliverables).
That's a fair point and certainly a reasonable reason to mandate hours. Thanks for pointing it out.
I understand that managers have a need to keep track of how their team members are performing, and that their job is a lot harder when their team is working remotely.
But I think It's possible to collect productivity metrics without obliterating employee trust.
I'm working on a tool to do this but I’ve stalled in the project because I’m having a hard time reconciling whether it benefits companies enough to pay for it (It seems geared towards employees more than companies)
I worked for a startup where the founder/CEO mandated 40 hours of work a week, no more or less. He would always say “I want you to work your ass off while you’re here but I also don’t want you taking this home with you. The company is paying you for forty hours of your time a week.” The expectation, which everyone seemed to find fair enough, was that if you didn’t have enough to fill 40 hours that you find other proj…
There is no incentive to find ways to accomplish more or better other than personal drive then, though (and personal drive eventually wears thin on its own, imho). If you have to work 40 hours, even if you get everything done early (in which case you gotta take the next task from the list, a never ending grind -- when do you get to celebrate a job well done?), even if you're head isn't in it (maybe you're not feeling…
I think I often push work without realizing it, but I feel that often I'm done around 16.00 or before lunch.
If I know I have to be there anyways, I might as well goof off a little.
If no-one cared about the hours but I just had hard deliverables every day/week/month, I'd work much faster so I can go home earlier.
Depends on the project, too. Some I'm more interested in than others.
This makes me really glad that our company policy thus far has been giving employees new machines and have them set them up themselves. I know my work laptop has no spyware because I didn't install any.
And you installed no internal apps at all? How did you get on the corporate Wi-Fi? How do you send print jobs to the office printer? It's quite rare for company-owned macs to be completely unmanaged. Usually the installation method for common corporate utilities is an MDM solution like Jamf (Self Service), which also transmits logs - for example how long each app was in the foreground[1] and what times you're using y…
Startups don't do the whole Enterprise Active Directory managed desktop computers thing. These days, users can run whatever they want and everything is done using cloud apps. Onboarding is handing people a shrink-wrapped MacBook and sending an invite to GSuite to their personal email. After that, everything's managed using SSO.