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Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by DiogenesKynikos »

thom wrote: post #12
dntbnmpls wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Chess is one of the few fields where dominance can easily stretch into several decades Easily? No. The only player to have the top rating longer than 10 years is kasparov. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_FIDE_chess_world_numbe... > if you're a young prodigy you may breach into top level in your teenage years and last well until your 50s or 60s. Of course you won't be #1 this whole time (check out Lasker's lon…

Anand, Gelfand, Dreev and Ivanchuck are all 50 or older, unless you just mean blitz, in which case it's just Anand and Dreev.

Anand is about 100 Elo points weaker than Carlsen at all time controls. It's impressive that Anand is still #15 at his age (50 years), but he's the only 50-year-old at that elite level (2700+ Elo).

The age distribution of the top 100 Classical players is:

    16-19: 5
    20-29: 39
    30-39: 40
    40-49: 12
    50-51: 4
The 20s and 30s are really the peak ages for chess.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by antasvara »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #73
mrosett wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The dominant risk when I ski is traveling to and from the resort. So I suppose your point stands if you only play from home. Even so, it seems a bit irrelevant to the discussion.

Maybe for you the travel to skiing is dominant, but I've known many people (UK acquaintances) who've been injured skiing but none who've been injured on route to go skiing. And that's just leisure skiing, in racing I'd imagine injuries are far more common.

They were responding to the assertion that skiing holds a larger risk of dying than the travel to the ski resort. Statistically, it seems more likely that a person would die in a car accident versus skiing.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by dejv »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #4
throwaway6575 wrote: post #2

Chess is one of the few fields where dominance can easily stretch into several decades - if you're a young prodigy you may breach into top level in your teenage years and last well until your 50s or 60s. Of course you won't be #1 this whole time (check out Lasker's longevity though) but you will always remain a top contender.

I would like to differ on this. It's getting harder and harder to maintain dominance. Kasparov was the one to hold the longest. Magnus, even though he is one of the best ever, is already losing out to Alireza in bullet, blitz and even almost in classical. Chess theory has a new Renaissance due to neutral networks and we will see newer GM's adapting to it.

I am really curious if we are going too see players adopting AlphaZero tactics. Games I saw goes so against current intuition and it would be interesting to see chess evolving.

Current crop of GMs benefited greatly from short feedback loops by using computers, but they still operate in explored problem space.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by starik36 »

MattSteelblade wrote: post #24
tmalsburg2 wrote: post #21

Why is Alireza Firouzja being referred to as "Iranian teen"? He's an international top player. I doubt that Carlsen was referred to as "Norwegian teen" when he was ranking in the top 25. p.s: As always: responses > downvotes.

That was trivial to disprove https://i.imgur.com/tfL5u0i.png

I think the OP's point may have been that Alireza had to flee Iran to play international chess. He's been living in France for the last 7 years afaik.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by edgarvaldes »

throwaway6575 wrote: post #2

Chess is one of the few fields where dominance can easily stretch into several decades - if you're a young prodigy you may breach into top level in your teenage years and last well until your 50s or 60s. Of course you won't be #1 this whole time (check out Lasker's longevity though) but you will always remain a top contender.

See the great Viktor Korchnoi[0]

[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Korchnoi

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by topynate »

lgl wrote: post #55
decasteve wrote: post #49

I had been following Alireza's rise over the past year on Chess.com. It's not entirely surprising. He often plays against Hikaru Nakamura, one of the best blitz players in world, who streams many of the games on Twitch. The gap between them had been closing and I think it's pretty much closed now.

Hope he matured since this whiny moment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPysTEW0YZU

This happened two days after Firouzja effectively defected from his homeland so that he could play Israelis. I see it as something of a credit to him that this is the worst behaviour he displayed in the aftermath.

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by gamegoblin »

dejv wrote: post #93
ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would like to differ on this. It's getting harder and harder to maintain dominance. Kasparov was the one to hold the longest. Magnus, even though he is one of the best ever, is already losing out to Alireza in bullet, blitz and even almost in classical. Chess theory has a new Renaissance due to neutral networks and we will see newer GM's adapting to it.

I am really curious if we are going too see players adopting AlphaZero tactics. Games I saw goes so against current intuition and it would be interesting to see chess evolving. Current crop of GMs benefited greatly from short feedback loops by using computers, but they still operate in explored problem space.

For what it's worth, Magnus has recently hit an all-time ratings high after a very, very slow decline over the last 5 years. And he attributes his recent bump to studying the AlphaZero games.

https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=1503014

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by gamegoblin »

antasvara wrote: post #92
pbhjpbhj wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe for you the travel to skiing is dominant, but I've known many people (UK acquaintances) who've been injured skiing but none who've been injured on route to go skiing. And that's just leisure skiing, in racing I'd imagine injuries are far more common.

They were responding to the assertion that skiing holds a larger risk of dying than the travel to the ski resort. Statistically, it seems more likely that a person would die in a car accident versus skiing.

According to [1], Skiing is 0.7 micromorts, whereas driving is about 400km per micromort. Therefore, the break-even point is 140km (0.7 * 400 / 2 way trip). If your local ski resort is [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micromort

Re: Iranian teen shocks Magnus Carlsen to win $14k prize

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Post by glxxyz »

lonelappde wrote: post #7
vpa10 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not how I see it. Carlsen lost one insanely long online bullet match on lichess. He narrowly lost an online banter blitz match. This is not blitz, since also you have to talk while playing, which does not seem to suit Carlsen's personality. In classical, you can often "almost lose", except that Carlsen does not "actually lose", as exemplified by his ongoing record non-loss streak.

In the banter blitz I saw, they aren't really bantering, just making offhand comments during downtime.

They don't really banter in 'banter blitz', they explain the position and their strategy, which is much more interesting.
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