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Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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Post by fzeroracer » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 3:38 PM UTC

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #87

fzeroracer wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tweeter is quite literally strawmanning Vox as he claims Vox is responsible for the coronavirus. That's a textbook definition of a strawman. And now you appear to be strawmanning him in attempt to defend strawmanning.

The tweet’s original text is “Vox & Recode helped cause the greatest crisis in modern US history.” That is very different from GGP’s interpretation “Vox is responsible for the coronavirus”. All you provided is further proof that GGP is strawmanning. Thanks

No it's not. You're being intentionally pedantic here and seem to be ignoring the actual meaning of those words.

If I helped someone do something bad, then I bear some responsibility for the outcome. That is the definition of responsibility. What is your definition, considering it seems to differ from the dictionary definition?

Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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Post by read_if_gay_ » Sat, Apr 18, 2020, 4:16 PM UTC

fzeroracer wrote: post #91

read_if_gay_ wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tweet’s original text is “Vox & Recode helped cause the greatest crisis in modern US history.” That is very different from GGP’s interpretation “Vox is responsible for the coronavirus”. All you provided is further proof that GGP is strawmanning. Thanks

No it's not. You're being intentionally pedantic here and seem to be ignoring the actual meaning of those words. If I helped someone do something bad, then I bear some responsibility for the outcome. That is the definition of responsibility. What is your definition, considering it seems to differ from the dictionary definition?

I’m honestly not being intentionally pedantic. To say someone helped with X is different from saying someone is responsible for X. The latter implies full responsibility, the former only partial responsibility.

That’s more than enough of a difference for this to matter. Especially if X is COVID-19. Traster is clearly strawmanning the tweets.

Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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Post by camgunz » Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 6:55 AM UTC

NateEag wrote: post #11

camgunz wrote: post #9

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Come on man, let's avoid hoping for people to lose their jobs.

Some jobs should not be done. That implies there are times we should root for people to lose their jobs. This may not be one of them. I just felt it was worth pointing out that this is a noble-sounding but poor idea.

No my point is that their kids shouldn't have to drop out of school, their parents shouldn't have to decide between meds, their family shouldn't lose their health insurance, etc. Maybe there are jobs that are so repugnant we should punish the families of those who hold them, but no matter your thoughts on the media or your political stripe, I hope we can agree that journalist (or any of the other myriad jobs at Vox) isn't one of them.

Re: Vox Media is cutting pay and furloughing 9% of employees

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Post by camgunz » Sun, Apr 19, 2020, 7:04 AM UTC

macinjosh wrote: post #80

camgunz wrote: post #8

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I would say don't use the news that lots of people are losing their jobs at News Outlet X to say News Outlet X is a bad news outlet. Feels opportunistic at best.

If a news outlet is struggling that means readership is down. If readership is down that implies they are not producing a product worthy of people’s time. Seems bad to me.

You may have heard there's a real bad economic thing happening right now. Vox the website even explains what's going on [1] (notably they're reporting record readership).

[1]: https://www.vox.com/2020/4/8/21212928/voxs-audience-support-...