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Re: Freenode IRC logging archive Echelog is shutting down

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

echelon wrote: post #36
ori_b wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IRC is still, in my experience, the best place to get technical help and discussion for most projects.

It absolutely still is. If I have an in-depth technical question about Rust, I can make a post about it on the Rust subreddit, Stack Overflow, or the Rust community forums, but if I jump in IRC I'll have an answer in under five minutes and an interactive explanation. IRC is the internet of the 90s and 00s. Without all the spam, advertisement, and noise.

>Without all the spam

You must remember a different IRC to me. Spam bots were a semi frequent thing.

Re: Freenode IRC logging archive Echelog is shutting down

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Post by TylerE »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #90
rasengan wrote: post #11

I just wanted to take a moment and share with the HN community that IRC is definitely very alive and kicking! There are great channels for thousands of amazing projects, communities and teams spread across so many great IRC Networks, from Freenode [1] to OFTC [2], to Rizon [3], to DALnet [4], to tildeverse [5], Snoonet [6], Quakenet [7], EFnet [8], IRCnet [9] among other networks [10]. IRC is no longer difficult to u…

IRC is still alive in the fact that people still use it, but its dying (less people use it over time) in a way that will never be overcome. IRC is lacking so many critical features that people consider the fundamentals of IM now. IRCv3 has been in development for forever and they still aren't done and even if they finished it it would never make it to all the irc servers and clients. At this point it makes sense to j…

The mere fact that we always see several people jumping in to assert how IRC is alive and kicking is in fact a giveaway that it, if not actually dying, is at least starting to smell a bit funny. (And frankly I say - good riddance! It's a protocol that's at least a decade past it's sell-by date, modern options are so much better)

Re: Freenode IRC logging archive Echelog is shutting down

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Post by tr33house »

rasengan wrote: post #11

I just wanted to take a moment and share with the HN community that IRC is definitely very alive and kicking! There are great channels for thousands of amazing projects, communities and teams spread across so many great IRC Networks, from Freenode [1] to OFTC [2], to Rizon [3], to DALnet [4], to tildeverse [5], Snoonet [6], Quakenet [7], EFnet [8], IRCnet [9] among other networks [10]. IRC is no longer difficult to u…

I also use mosh to maintain a constant connection to a remote server with an irc client

Re: Freenode IRC logging archive Echelog is shutting down

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Post by kawsper »

Geeflow wrote: post #52
jdsully wrote: post #41

I don't really use IRC anymore but at the time I remember really hating loggers. Chats were informal and I really didn't like them showing up in google results and elsewhere. Not everything needs to be saved.

I would have shared the same sentiment. I never came across a logger, though, when I was still active on IRC. Are loggers a more recent (as in this millenium) development?

Things like pisg[0] have existed since 2001 and it works off the logs directly, its usually collected by a bot and summarized into what you can see here: https://www.nordicbots.com/?id=66&net=quakenet&cid=84959

[0] http://pisg.sourceforge.net/

Re: Freenode IRC logging archive Echelog is shutting down

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Post by myself248 »

gknoy wrote: post #47
uk_programmer wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IRC is still used massively. It is a relic of the days before corporations took the internet. When it was was still fun. TBH Discord is the closest modern equivalent and the only thing that discord really does better is the embeds and voice. IRC has a ton of advantages: 1) IRC will run on ancient computers, I was chatting to people on IRC using an Amiga which is 25 years old and will run with virtually no bandwidth.…

> the only thing that discord really does better is the embeds and voice. For me, the thing that Discord does really well is having a persistent message history, so I can join a server about a topic, see the pinned posts, read an FAQ channel, and learn a bunch without having to ask a question. That may be improved with IRC now, but at least when I was last using it (wow, 2 decades ago?!) that was a real pain point.

I threw TheLounge on a raspi in the basement and I have persistent message history now. Hit it from any browser, and I have a very Discord-like or Slack-like interface.

Been meaning to check out Convos which looks like it solves much the same problems.

Re: Freenode IRC logging archive Echelog is shutting down

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Post by jfindley »

jdsully wrote: post #41

I don't really use IRC anymore but at the time I remember really hating loggers. Chats were informal and I really didn't like them showing up in google results and elsewhere. Not everything needs to be saved.

Yes, I agree. Lots(most?) of channels on freenode are explicitly not publicly logged anywhere, and the freenode staff are pretty helpful at helping chanops enforce this. None of the channels I help run have any public logs available.

Re: Freenode IRC logging archive Echelog is shutting down

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Post by eloahx »

mwest wrote: post #84
uniquelygeneric wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I prefer Igloo IRC, but finding a server and chatroom is an exercise you'll have to do on your own depending on what you are looking for. I would start with Freenode if you don't know where to begin.

The screenshots for Igloo look nice, but the developer responses to reviews are... entertaining, and concerning.

yeah he's legit crazy

Re: Freenode IRC logging archive Echelog is shutting down

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Post by em-bee »

rasengan wrote: post #11

I just wanted to take a moment and share with the HN community that IRC is definitely very alive and kicking! There are great channels for thousands of amazing projects, communities and teams spread across so many great IRC Networks, from Freenode [1] to OFTC [2], to Rizon [3], to DALnet [4], to tildeverse [5], Snoonet [6], Quakenet [7], EFnet [8], IRCnet [9] among other networks [10]. IRC is no longer difficult to u…

this list exemplifies the biggest issue i have with IRC. it's not federated. these are all islands, and i'd have to sign up on each one of them to join the community there.

that said, none of the newer alternatives are any better unfortunately.

it seems jabber really was the only federated system with any moderate success, and maybe matrix is getting there too with its ability to integrate different services.

Re: Freenode IRC logging archive Echelog is shutting down

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Post by badsectoracula »

em-bee wrote: post #98
rasengan wrote: post #11

I just wanted to take a moment and share with the HN community that IRC is definitely very alive and kicking! There are great channels for thousands of amazing projects, communities and teams spread across so many great IRC Networks, from Freenode [1] to OFTC [2], to Rizon [3], to DALnet [4], to tildeverse [5], Snoonet [6], Quakenet [7], EFnet [8], IRCnet [9] among other networks [10]. IRC is no longer difficult to u…

this list exemplifies the biggest issue i have with IRC. it's not federated. these are all islands, and i'd have to sign up on each one of them to join the community there. that said, none of the newer alternatives are any better unfortunately. it seems jabber really was the only federated system with any moderate success, and maybe matrix is getting there too with its ability to integrate different services.

FWIW you do not need to 'sign up' on IRC, just pick up an unused nickname and you're in. No registration or anything necessary.

Re: Freenode IRC logging archive Echelog is shutting down

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Post by Wingman4l7 »

ciupicri wrote: post #63
jdsully wrote: post #41

I don't really use IRC anymore but at the time I remember really hating loggers. Chats were informal and I really didn't like them showing up in google results and elsewhere. Not everything needs to be saved.

Unfortunately Facebook and Google also log everything. At least Facebook lets you delete your copy, but Google does not allow even this.

I kinda doubt that Facebook actually deletes, as opposed to setting a DB flag... weren't they caught logging comments that were typed in but then modified / deleted / not actually posted?
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