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Re: Apple and Google partner on Covid-19 contact tracing technology

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can easily tell whether you're wearing a mask, so social "norm building" factors work.

I wouldn't be shocked if some businesses - movie theaters, malls, etc. - asked people to show their contract tracing status for entry.

Well, I would think that would be met with a you-can-fuck-right-off by most people.

Re: Apple and Google partner on Covid-19 contact tracing technology

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post #46

See https://idlewords.com/2020/03/we_need_a_massive_surveillance... for why this is really important

> But for the moment, we are united by fear and have some latitude to act.

We're literally still fighting the wars that arose out of the last time we acted in a moment where we were "united by fear."

Re: Apple and Google partner on Covid-19 contact tracing technology

#94

I am much happier Apple is in the mix here, versus say Google x Amazon. Will that be enough to reign in the privacy concerns though, who knows

They have to, as they ship a mobile OS that a large portion of the country uses.

Re: Apple and Google partner on Covid-19 contact tracing technology

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post #78

It's quite horrible if it becomes a standard API. What a gold mine it is for ad business to be able to tell which groups of people are together. It can be used to track 'idea spreading' as well.

Of course it’s potentially rife with abusive power. And we need to make sure that this is a very temporary thing (admittedly it’s hard to put the genie back in the bottle). That said, you can’t advertise to the dead. There’s a very real need here, and some governments are off doing this on their own anyway. I do believe that at least Apple and Google combined can come up with a solution that has some amount of privac…

> admittedly it’s hard to put the genie back in the bottle

On iOS, entitlements?

Re: Apple and Google partner on Covid-19 contact tracing technology

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The spec pdf looks a lot like the DP-3T protocol. The DP-3T docs have more explanation and a good discussion of privacy aspects.

https://github.com/DP-3T/documents

paper: https://github.com/DP-3T/documents/blob/master/DP3T%20White%...

data protection aspects: https://github.com/DP-3T/documents/blob/master/DP3T%20-%20Da...

Here's an overview comparing that approach to some others (such as Singapore's tracetogether): https://github.com/vteague/contactTracing

Re: Apple and Google partner on Covid-19 contact tracing technology

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Promising opt-in is a bit disingenuous. These tech giants are creating a technological capability. Whether or not it is opt-in, opt-out or mandatory is then decided by governments, now and in the future.

This is of course nothing new. But it's worth noting considering how high the tolerance for extremely intrusive government action currently is and how extremely weak any resistance is bound to be.

I'm not saying I'm against contact tracing in the current situation. But that shiny new button that governments get to press will never go away.

Edit: Reading the spec, I found a piece of information that may be of interest: This technology allows contact tracing without necessarily revealing the location where that contact has taken place. So that could indeed be a privacy benefit over alternative approaches.

https://covid19-static.cdn-apple.com/applications/covid19/cu...

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