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Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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Ok, since this is getting attention, I'll explain. Launch HN posts for YC startups are one of three formal things that HN does for YC ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... ). The others are job ads for YC startups, and orange usernames for YC alumni—but only when displayed to other YC alumni, which always generates "why is my username not orange" emails. But I digress. Launch HNs are like…

>This code turned out to be a lot more complicated than I anticipated. The patch ended up adding a hundred lines of Arc. A hundred lines of Arc! Do you have any idea how many lines of Arc that is?

It's like a million!

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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Were the emails normally being sent manually through some provider, but now going from a mail program on the server?

If so, you might consider using SendGrid or something like that with their API. https://sendgrid.com/docs/API_Reference/Web_API_v3/Mail/inde...

If not using a service, would be interested to hear what configuration (DKIM or whatever) was necessary to add to your existing mail setup to get it to work.

Although I am just totally speculating on what you were talking about.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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Ok, since this is getting attention, I'll explain. Launch HN posts for YC startups are one of three formal things that HN does for YC ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... ). The others are job ads for YC startups, and orange usernames for YC alumni—but only when displayed to other YC alumni, which always generates "why is my username not orange" emails. But I digress. Launch HNs are like…

Dang,

Yours are the only comments I always read.

Thanks for all the stuff you do. Wouldn't have thought you coded too! That's good to know.

I've also had to do tests in production occasionally and hope nobody notices! Good that your code wasn't tied up to the number of upvotes, otherwise you would have a different problem on you hands!

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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Ok, before the party is over, checkout another test launch [0]. We really hope to grow a truly helpful community and will appreciate any feedback about the messaging on our website too! [1] [0] https://www.patreon.com/boosthelp [1] https://boost.help

I don't begrudge people trying to take advantage of this thread, which was an ill-defined mess to begin with, but you've done a couple things here which I should comment on.

First, please don't delete and repost the same comment. It gives the impression of trying to pump it up in the rankings, which would not be a nice community behavior.

Second, something I tell people all the time by email: on HN it's an antipattern to have your username be that of your company or project. It creates a feeling of using the site for promotion rather than participating as a person. The community reacts better when your username represents you as a human. You don't have to use your real name, just something to communicate that you're there as a person, not a brand. If you'd like to change your username, we can do that for you via hn@ycombinator.com.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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post #92

Were the emails normally being sent manually through some provider, but now going from a mail program on the server? If so, you might consider using SendGrid or something like that with their API. https://sendgrid.com/docs/API_Reference/Web_API_v3/Mail/inde... If not using a service, would be interested to hear what configuration (DKIM or whatever) was necessary to add to your existing mail setup to get it to work. A…

I realized sheepishly this morning why the emails didn't go through: because the placement code never actually executed. Or rather, it did, but it turned into a no-op because the post was already ranking higher, due to user upvotes, than the rank (#10) where the code would have placed it. I forgot that I'd added that check.

So my complaint turned out to be nonsense, partly because it was 3am or whatever, and partly because "wtf? swear, profanity, curse...oh wait" is my normal debugging process. Just not usually in public.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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post #91
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Ok, since this is getting attention, I'll explain. Launch HN posts for YC startups are one of three formal things that HN does for YC ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... ). The others are job ads for YC startups, and orange usernames for YC alumni—but only when displayed to other YC alumni, which always generates "why is my username not orange" emails. But I digress. Launch HNs are like…

>This code turned out to be a lot more complicated than I anticipated. The patch ended up adding a hundred lines of Arc. A hundred lines of Arc! Do you have any idea how many lines of Arc that is? It's like a million!

Exactly! 10000x better than blub.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

#97
post #94

Ok, before the party is over, checkout another test launch [0]. We really hope to grow a truly helpful community and will appreciate any feedback about the messaging on our website too! [1] [0] https://www.patreon.com/boosthelp [1] https://boost.help

I don't begrudge people trying to take advantage of this thread, which was an ill-defined mess to begin with, but you've done a couple things here which I should comment on. First, please don't delete and repost the same comment. It gives the impression of trying to pump it up in the rankings, which would not be a nice community behavior. Second, something I tell people all the time by email: on HN it's an antipatter…

Thanks for the kind note. The comment was removed and re-posted here as this thread seemed more appropriate for such comment (i.e. in a mood similar to this[0] comment).

EDIT: And thanks for taking time to repeat yourself. Just few hours ago I've been thinking that most of us (unfortunately) will have to actually make some well-known mistakes to learn from them, even if we've been warned about such misdeeds beforehand repeatedly ;-)

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22767218

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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post #75
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Ok, since this is getting attention, I'll explain. Launch HN posts for YC startups are one of three formal things that HN does for YC ( https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... ). The others are job ads for YC startups, and orange usernames for YC alumni—but only when displayed to other YC alumni, which always generates "why is my username not orange" emails. But I digress. Launch HNs are like…

"middle of the night here" is morning for most of Europe. Quite late in the morning, when people had time to work and maybe do an HN break. I've noticed that stories posted in the morning (for Europe) can get as much traction as other in the evening (american morning); especially if they touch to subjects we are quite sensitive to. Did you do any study on HN stats and where its audience is coming from ?

Oh indeed, it's eternal morning on HN. Or rather, eternal second breakfast / coffee break. I did not mean to imply otherwise. It's just easy to forget when in dev mode and it's dark outside.

> Did you do any study on HN stats and where its audience is coming from?

I did that 2 years ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16633521

I keep meaning to rerun that analysis. I saved the code for it using the trick described here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22516834.

Re: Tell HN: Launch HN Test

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is a hundred times bigger. It's not just that we aren't in their league...our league is not in their league. So the comparison is a little embarrassing. It's hard to count active users because you have to define them in order to count them, and we make a point of not tracking people that much. We can count accounts and unique IPs, and that's about it. But it's basically about 5M readers a month, give or take,…

> we wouldn't want to go full Haskell and avoid success at all costs Can you elaborate on that statement? To me, it implies that going with Haskell avoids success, but I might be missing something. If that really is the implication, can you explain?

Oh! That's the Haskell motto: https://www.google.com/search?q=haskell+%22avoid+success+at+.... I'd never troll so hard as to make something like that up, only just enough to quote it. I love it as a perfectly-cut gem of self-deprecating humor.

It has had different interpretations over the years. Simon Peyton Jones described its origins here: https://books.google.com/books?id=2kMIqdfyT8kC&pg=PA283&lpg=.... But that interview was already several years after the fact. See also https://web.archive.org/web/20150419060144/http://www.comput...:

When you become too well known, or too widely used and too successful [...] suddenly you can’t change anything anymore.

The fact that Haskell has up to now been used for just university types has been ideal [...] Now, however, they're starting to complain if their libraries don’t work, which means that we’re beginning to get caught in the trap of being too successful.

What I’m really trying to say is that the fact Haskell hasn’t become a real mainstream programming language, used by millions of developers, has allowed us to become much more nimble, and from a research point of view, that’s great. We have lots of users so we get lots of experience from them. What you want is to have a lot of users but not too many from a research point of view – hence the avoid success at all costs.

Does anyone have the original slide where he used this line? It would be interesting to see what contextual clues were there at the time.

Later it turned out to be a syntactic pun: https://twitter.com/simonmar/status/246335257677271040. The official interpretation seems to be "Don't make success your top priority, because success may compromise things you care about more", whereas the hilarious version would be "Whatever you do, make sure you don't succeed."

Haskell connoisseurs can add info. That is literally all I know about it, or more, since I just Googled half of it. I do recall reading those interviews at the time, no doubt via HN.

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