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Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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I don't know, to me not allowing people to qualify the virus using the place of origin (as was the convention before) is an insult to those people -- you are assuming malice, that these people must be racists. I'm saying this as an ethnic Chinese myself.

Nobody said that those who use the term "Chinese virus" are necessarily racists. That's beside the point; in my other reply to this subthread, I linked a StackExchange thread which has good responses to why "Chinese virus" should not be considered OK, even considering previous namings as "Spanish flu", including those from experts (such as the WHO). The influenza epidemic of 2009 started in the US. Nobody calls that…

I understand your point, but China did indeed try to call the 2009 flu pandemic "North American flu".[0]

北美 = North America, 流感 = flu, 鍾南山 = Zhong Nanshan (still widely respected in China due to his work during SARS)

[0] https://web.archive.org/web/20090505142633/http://hk.news.ya...

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Why is July for them so important? Football season?

July is after the NBA and NHL finals. It is before the NFL preseason. MLB is at the midpoint of their long season when it is late enough that the excitement of the new year has warn off and it is too early for the playoff race to reinvigorate fans. July is generally the slowest sports month in the US. Meanwhile in October, the NBA and NHL both start their seasons. The NFL and college football are both going strong. M…

Not only are Olympics no longer the festival of human achievement but lets have commercial interest dictate when they should take place, even if it makes no sense for the host country. Perfect.

(Anyone who visited Japan at that time of year will tell you the weatjer is pretty brutal, with very high temperateure and high 90%+ humidity.)

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Nobody said that those who use the term "Chinese virus" are necessarily racists. That's beside the point; in my other reply to this subthread, I linked a StackExchange thread which has good responses to why "Chinese virus" should not be considered OK, even considering previous namings as "Spanish flu", including those from experts (such as the WHO). The influenza epidemic of 2009 started in the US. Nobody calls that…

I understand your point, but China did indeed try to call the 2009 flu pandemic "North American flu".[0] 北美 = North America, 流感 = flu, 鍾南山 = Zhong Nanshan (still widely respected in China due to his work during SARS) [0] https://web.archive.org/web/20090505142633/http://hk.news.ya...

Again I would assume that most of us understand the concept of two wrongs don't make a right and that just because someone else does something dangerous and stupid doesn't mean we should.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

July is after the NBA and NHL finals. It is before the NFL preseason. MLB is at the midpoint of their long season when it is late enough that the excitement of the new year has warn off and it is too early for the playoff race to reinvigorate fans. July is generally the slowest sports month in the US. Meanwhile in October, the NBA and NHL both start their seasons. The NFL and college football are both going strong. M…

Not only are Olympics no longer the festival of human achievement but lets have commercial interest dictate when they should take place, even if it makes no sense for the host country. Perfect. (Anyone who visited Japan at that time of year will tell you the weatjer is pretty brutal, with very high temperateure and high 90%+ humidity.)

The Olympics these days are mainly a moneymaker for the IOC so it makes sense that the highest paying parties will have a say.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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This is a very common "populist" view when the Olympics are held locally... true here in the US when the Olympics were in LA and Atlanta.

In my opinion, it's rational (which surprises me that it would be "populist" since populist thinking is rarely rational). The Olympics really are a terrible waste of effort and resources for the host nation, and the host nation rarely, if ever, gets a positive return on it. Mostly, it seems only to serve to increase the prestige of some head-of-state, nothing more. In reality, it costs an enormous amount of money to…

The final goal of ever endeavor is not always profits.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

#96

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I don't know, to me not allowing people to qualify the virus using the place of origin (as was the convention before) is an insult to those people -- you are assuming malice, that these people must be racists. I'm saying this as an ethnic Chinese myself.

I'm not assuming malice in you specifically - I'm observing malice and the results of action objectively in several others and saying it is serves very little benefit with relation to the risk it presents. The virus has a name Covid 19. Naming it anything else does very little good (do you really think anyone doesn't know where it started) and potentially has a great harm.

> The virus has a name Covid 19

Which was so named after the Chinese government put significant pressure on the WHO. Giving the Chinese government a free pass at bullying international organizations and the scientific community also potentially has great harm.

I do understand your point though. It is unfortunate that widespread malice is actually observed. But I would rather try to educate, however futile it may be.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Had to happen: If they tried to have it, there would have been no crowd and all the athletes would get it like wildfire (The Olympic Village has a lot of Tinder activity, at least). That doesn't even account for the sad reality that some athletes can't go due to the virus (already). At least three of the South Korean Fencing team (Very likely medal contenders) are confirmed positive, for example.

Call it greed. They should have canceled a month ago. Same for any other sporting events.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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Masks also help you avoid getting the virus if you’re not infected. It’s a complete myth that they don’t; literally all research points in the same direction.

This is repeated a lot, however just like most things - there's more nuance to it than just "wear masks". In most places, there's simply not enough masks to protect those most at risk (eg: healthcare workers who are constantly in contact with infected patients) AND to have everyone in the community using them. Improper use of masks is at best pointless, at worst can actually make things worse. The vast majority of pe…

As long as everyone in public wears a mask, it's not really important how good it is as long as it covers the mounth and the nose. This is because you basically switch from protecting the wearer to protecting other from infected asymptomatic wearer.

In such a case even a simple home made mask does wonders in preventing infected droplets contaminating a wide area around the wearer, not to mention the benefit of reducing hand based contamination due to not being able to touch your mouth and nose.

Due to this the Czech government introduced mandatory mask wearing (including self made) in public - if you don't wear one, the police will first warn you and then you get a hefty fine if you still don't comply. Also Slovakia (a neighboring country) just introduced the same.

As for protecting medical personel - yep they definitely need the best protective equipment tjey can get, to prevent even more of them getting infected (there have already been cases for medical personel, police & firefighters). For that reason an "air bridge" has been established that regularly airlifts PPE from china, even including one of the NATO leased gigantic AN-124s.

That way both regular people are protected (from infecting each other) and first line responders as well (by proper air lifted PPE).

Foe this reason ot feels worrying or almost sad to see the reaction in te UK and USA slowly waking up to the seriousness of the whole situation.

- we have no PPE for first line workers, but rest assured it has been ordered (unless its in plane and in the air now, it's too late, should have been done weeks ago)

- not enough beds/ventilators (should have cleared hospitals of elective surgeries and non acute cases)

- cant tell people to wear masks as there are none (tell them to make some or face a fine)

- people still congregating in bars and restaurants (you should have closed those long ago)

- with schools and day care closed first line responders have nowhere to put their children (keep some vare centers open to care of children of critical workers)

- people are not respecting our guidance (well, then it should not be a guidance but punishable emergency state ordnance)

Hopefully others can get up to speed quickly before it is too late. The local emergency measures in Czech Republichave been pretty strict, but so far (and I really hope not to jinx it) seem to be working. Arround 1200 infected so far with smaller Neighboring Austria havig 5 thousand. Still two people died... But at lest the people on ventilators are still in the tens.

Re: Abe, IOC agree to delay Tokyo Olympics by one year

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my opinion, it's rational (which surprises me that it would be "populist" since populist thinking is rarely rational). The Olympics really are a terrible waste of effort and resources for the host nation, and the host nation rarely, if ever, gets a positive return on it. Mostly, it seems only to serve to increase the prestige of some head-of-state, nothing more. In reality, it costs an enormous amount of money to…

The final goal of ever endeavor is not always profits.

Extraordinary public funding that goes through a narrow "takings" funnel may be a high price to pay for the "not always profits" outcome of an Olympics though.
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