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Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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I disagree here. Denmark is acting proactively and shutting down schools for 2 weeks. This is a "rip the band aid off early" type of move. By shutting down everything for 2 weeks, they effectively self-quarantine during the entire incubation period and will dramatically slow the rate of the virus. China, on the other hand, did not do this, and they were forced to shut down schools for 6 months. These moves are HARD a…

for the two weeks as of day one of the changes. What if the virus shows up on day 15, the day after things return to normal? Will they stay shutdown for another two weeks?

The virus will show up afterwards but could already be slowed by then combined with fewer infections from people returning from abroad. But they will have to see simply.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Something that I heard from an epidemiologist the other day is how shutting down schools and daycares can be incredibly counterproductive, because such a high percentage of health care workers have children which suddenly are at home and need to be supervised, pulling these workers out of their duties. I suppose its ok early on, but seems problematic if enough people eventually get infected. Understood that schools a…

A virologist mentioned that kids up until 19 basically don't get sick from this virus, something like 0.2%, and even if they do its not as hard on them as on adult in their 40ies or older. So indeed very counter productive

If they can still carry and spread it, and may show very few symptoms (if any), that can be quite dangerous.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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I saw the Joe Rogan clip[1] and I agree that Michael Osterholm's analysis of this seems correct when it comes to the United States. Denmark however has a completely different structure socially. All private sector employees who can work from home are urged to work from home. All public sector employees who are not working in any matter-of-life-and-death function are forced to stay at home. The public sector employees…

Wait, how would this prevent health care workers with children from needing to be home? Who is going to be watching those kids while the parents are working at a hospital?

Emergency daycare facilities will be available for those that have no other options.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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post #26

All of these shutdowns, especially the large ones recently announced, raise the question: how long? How long do we continue and what criteria will be used to begin opening things back up? How long before other parts of the economy begin to fail?

Until there's a vaccine this is all "flattening the curve" trying to limit the overall number of severely sick individuals to a level that they can get hospital care.

No country is quarantining itself for 12-18 months

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About time... They might be able to reduce R0 < 1 and be done with the pandemics in 3-4 weeks. On the other hand, Spain and Germany are going to blow up next week, Italy-style.

> and be done with the pandemics in 3-4 weeks Unlikely... even if they could wave a magic wand and wipe out the disease in Denmark entirely they are just going to be re-infected via people from other countries.

Important is that they are then able to quickly disperse local outbreaks once they are familiar with how to handle it. Right now they are fighting to keep it contained nation-wide, i.e. reducing R0 to under 1, that should last up to 4 weeks if China is any kind of a reliable indicator, then local outbreaks might still happen but could be quickly quarantined without overloading ICUs.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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These are iniatives to spare the old and the weak. How little regard do you have for these people? Their mortality rate is way higher than 0.5%

Read my response to a sister comment.

I did. It is clear that you have no idea how bad this have gotten in other countries.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

#98
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What makes you think that? Seriously asking, because I don't see that risk right now. Also, if it does blow up like Italy we will just have to take it up from there, no point in arguing about the past.

This Reddit thread over at /r/europe has pretty compelling visualizations: https://old.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/fguile/germany_vs_i... Germany lags 8 days behind Italy, Spain 7 days.

It is not the most popular opinion, but unless the modeling is coming from legit experts, as compared to some people playing with numbers, I prefer to ignore them. I stick with sources like the WHO and local health authorities, simply becasue they have the knowledge, expertie, man power and data basis to come up with reliable numbers.

That being said, Austria is closing schools starting next week, Bavaria is discussing the same. Denmark and Plnd are closing schools as well. So even if Italy is 7 days ahead, other Eurpean countries are closing down sooner.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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yes, the specifics aren't out yet but a package is being put together right now by the government. We don't know yet how much, but the numbers are in the billions. The government is aware that this is a dificult situation financially for a lot of companies and are working to resolve it. A lot of it will be through delayed payment of taxes and VAT to keep cashflow.

This seems enormously complicated. How can the government reliably assess lost revenue? What about businesses whose expenditures were always unrealistic and a temporary closure pushed them over the edge, should they be covered too? Note that I’m not criticizing the solution, just remarking on how hard the problem looks.

Shouldn't be an issue, insurance companies routinely do this.

Re: Denmarks shuts down all schools, daycare facilities, universities, highschools

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Also, all public sector employees who do not perform critical functions will be sent home on paid leave, and all private companies are recommended to do the same. On top of this all public gatherings of more than 100 people is discouraged, and it is alsp encouraged for all bars and nightclubs to keep closed for now. These are expected to be signed into law within the week.

Is there any reasoning/science behind 100 people? Why 100 but not 1000 or 50?

It has been motivated at least in Denmark (limit was 1000, now 100) and Sweden (limit 500) that larger events attract people traveling to it. This traveling and being among large crowds large is what they want to avoid. While smaller events, say a local low division football team, doesn't normally attract a tone else than locals. The exact number is arbitrary but has to be something, right now 100 in Denmark, 500 in Sweden and will likely change over time.
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