Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

#91

Post by whatsmyusername » Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 1:36 PM UTC

I’m fine with this. If an app is push notifying me with Ads I know I need to uninstall it.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

#92

Post by whatsmyusername » Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 1:37 PM UTC

yreg wrote: post #22

onion2k wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd still uninstall the app.

Would you uninstall Uber if they sent you a coupon via push notification?

Does your app provide real world value like ubers or is it just Tinder for Dogs?

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

#93

Post by glenneroo » Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 1:37 PM UTC

Flockster wrote: post #6

sanedigital wrote: post #3

Depending on how this is implemented, this could actually be a step in the right direction. Lots of apps already send "promotional" push notifications (including big names like Lyft and Uber). The only way to turn them off was to turn off all notifications, which meant missing actual important updates. If this change means being able to opt-out of one without losing the other, I'm all for it.

If Runtastics reminders to start exercising again also fall under this category, I'm all for it.

Funny I have had the opposite complaint of not getting any more reminders after the 1st month... since roughly 2 years.. and across different Android devices. They even have a setting for reminders and what time they should occur. I reported the bug multiple times and left reviews but the problem remains. I ended up resorting to cluttering up my Google Calendar with daily reminders.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

#94

Post by swiley » Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 1:41 PM UTC

So ads can get pushed to my phone but not IRC mentions and PMs?

I’m done with this. Now I need to get iMessage working in qemu...

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

#95

Post by bad_user » Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 1:57 PM UTC

aedron wrote: post #88

I have some hope that the EU will outlaw promotional push notifications that are not opt-in, similar to email spam. As it stands, push notifications are almost entirely useless because of all the noise.

What apps do you use?

I'm an iPhone user, I have a lot of apps on it, I receive a lot of notifications and I get no promotional notifications. I hope the "almost entirely useless" line was hyperbole :)

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

#96

Post by amake » Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 2:01 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #76

Razengan wrote: post #68

After Catalina's increase in ostentatious nagging for the supposed sake of security, something they made fun of Microsoft for during Windows Vista [0], I really hope there isn't some paradigm shift inside Apple to become just as bad regarding alerts and popups. [0] https://i.imgur.com/442C7Ij.jpg (slide from an ancient WWDC)

I'm not sure they "get it", to be honest; most of the engineers run with security protections disabled so they don't see these…

> most of the engineers run with security protections disabled so they don't see these…

Are you talking about engineers within Apple? What is your source for this information?

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

#97

Post by ajscanlan » Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 2:09 PM UTC

saagarjha wrote: post #77

ajscanlan wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Notifications are blocked by default.

They're only blocked when you don't allow them.

If the app doesn't ask, they can't send them. They're opt-in.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

#98

Post by saagarjha » Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 2:21 PM UTC

amake wrote: post #96

saagarjha wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure they "get it", to be honest; most of the engineers run with security protections disabled so they don't see these…

> most of the engineers run with security protections disabled so they don't see these… Are you talking about engineers within Apple? What is your source for this information?

nvram boot-args="amfi_get_out_of_my_way=0x1"

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

#99

Post by throwaway55554 » Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 2:24 PM UTC

Any app that spams my notifications with ads is an instant delete. Apps that did this in the past are not going to adhere to the "guidelines". Apple will be kinda lax at enforcing them if history is any predictor of the future.

Re: Apple now allows iOS developers to send ads using push notifications

#100

Post by kaiabwpdjqn » Fri, Mar 06, 2020, 2:26 PM UTC

a_imho wrote: post #17

sanedigital wrote: post #3

Depending on how this is implemented, this could actually be a step in the right direction. Lots of apps already send "promotional" push notifications (including big names like Lyft and Uber). The only way to turn them off was to turn off all notifications, which meant missing actual important updates. If this change means being able to opt-out of one without losing the other, I'm all for it.

Interestingly I interpret the article as apps were abusing push notifications without a second thought in the past when it was explicitly against the guidelines, I fail to see how they will self moderate now some of it is even allowed. With the ample data we have so far it most probably will lead to dark UI patterns with dysfunctional opt-outs and/or blanket consents at most if someone takes it seriously at all.

I would assume you could control the showing of ad notifications and non ad notifications separately as a user.