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Personal CO2 Removal as a Service

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Re: Personal CO2 Removal as a Service

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> +0 tonnes is not equivalent to -1 tonne of C02 emission, because maths. Right, but we're talking about -1 tonne (reducing emissions) vs -1 tonne (taking carbon out of the atmosphere) and last I checked, -1 tonne is equivalent to -1 tonne. > Reducing current C02 levels is more difficult and expensive than just reducing C02 output, and has a greater impact on overall reduction It makes sense to me that it's easier/ch…

If you look at "reducing 1 tonne" of emission as -1 to the current emission output , sure. But if you see it as +0 to the current C02 levels, it's different math. -1 tonne (active output) is not equivalent to -1 tonne (overall C02 levels) It's splitting hairs over what we consider to be better. Either is an improvement that I am happy to see.

I don't follow.

Pretend we have 5 tonnes of co2 in the air. If I have an emitter, say someone wanting to burn a forest. That would emit 1 tonne. Or I have a sequestration process that would remove 1 tonne.

I can pay $X to either #1 or #2. In #1 case I stop the addition, e.g. 5 tonnes total. In #2 the forest gets burned so I'm up to 6 tonnes, but I've pulled down 1 tonnes so back to 5 tonnes.

As mentioned by other posters, there are a _ton_ of side benefits of the different approaches (burn forest for agriculture) vs other benefits of forests. But it seems like from a pure CO2 in atmosphere the two approaches should be similar?

Re: Personal CO2 Removal as a Service

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> There are also forest protection projects Same constraint as planting tree... at one point there's no more forest to protect (or the cost of protecting one just increase). It will just get more expensive. > energy transition projects This one is interesting, again, will just get more expensive with time, but that one I never seen any project that allow to buy carbon credit for theses kinds of projects. > AFAIK, the…

> This one is interesting, again, will just get more expensive with time, but that one I never seen any project that allow to buy carbon credit for theses kinds of projects. And yet Gold Standard reports renewable energy projects are a high share of their pipeline: https://www.goldstandard.org/sites/default/files/documents/m... > Where can I offset my CO2 emission that way? That's still at an experimental stage AFAIK…

> Gold Standard reports renewable energy projects

How does renewable energy project have anything to do with athmospheric carbon capture? It's a way to lower carbon emission into the atmosphere sure, but we got 100 years of CO2 to take out of it too. I also already do everything I can to go toward renewable energy.

> That's still at an experimental stage AFAIK

Okay... so not an alternative for me right?

> A more optimistic way to look at it is as such: if we commit to offsetting our emissions by buying carbon credits, rising prices will pressure us towards reducing our emissions.

We aren't all the same person you know? We are currently talking about someone that can afford 100x the price to offset his emission and is ready to do it. I'm not too far from being that person, I'm already trying to reduce my emission, why not both?

I have nothing against planting tree, it's an amazing solution, but its limit are well below what needed right now.

People don't want to pay more right now, it's a HUGE issue. Go look at Canada carbon taxes, most of the provinces are currently fighting it in court, they are putting sticker on gas stations to tell people that they'll have to pay hundred more. 100% of that tax which is MUCH lower than the true environmental cost of that CO2 will be used to refund people. I'm already ready to pay more, 100x even, but planting more tree won't make theses people more likely to offset their emission if it make it more costly, that solution though not only offset my emission, but also invest into a potential solution and show there's a market for atmospheric carbon capture.

> That's where we want to be headed, because there is NO future where emissions remain high and are totally offset.

Which come back to my first answer, why not both. There's no future where we don't take out the CO2 already in the atmosphere either. I have seen multiple article talking about how the current warming is enough already that what get naturally released from glacier melting is more than what we release. Something being too expensive is no longer a reason to not research toward a solution, we need to research them all.

> I would encourage you to rethink your approach as follows: invest in the transition, not in the destination.

I never talked about destination, I talk about what we will need during the transition.

>What makes you so sure that ClimeWork's solution can scale better?

Where did I say their solution will be the right one? Excluding it from being the right one is a much bigger issue. What I'm sure about is that if there's a solution that scale better, but also allow to scrub atmospheric level, but still not viable, seeing any investment into ClimeWork's solution will make them much more likely to go toward that, instead of waiting for tree planting initiative to become costly enough to finally justify researching their costlier solution.

>If you want long-term innovation, why not fund general CCS research instead?

As a private individual earning in the mid 5 figures, that's the best I can do. I can surely pay 100x more carbon capture than I consume, but that's not a viable solution if it will just make it costlier for someone else, and won't actually solve the issue. Instead I vote with my wallet, and that's one that seems viable to me.

Re: Personal CO2 Removal as a Service

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at "reducing 1 tonne" of emission as -1 to the current emission output , sure. But if you see it as +0 to the current C02 levels, it's different math. -1 tonne (active output) is not equivalent to -1 tonne (overall C02 levels) It's splitting hairs over what we consider to be better. Either is an improvement that I am happy to see.

I don't follow. Pretend we have 5 tonnes of co2 in the air. If I have an emitter, say someone wanting to burn a forest. That would emit 1 tonne. Or I have a sequestration process that would remove 1 tonne. I can pay $X to either #1 or #2. In #1 case I stop the addition, e.g. 5 tonnes total. In #2 the forest gets burned so I'm up to 6 tonnes, but I've pulled down 1 tonnes so back to 5 tonnes. As mentioned by other pos…

This reminds me of that one gag; let's both put $20 in a box, and I'll sell the box to you for $30. (I can't find the relation to what's at hand tho)

Back on topic; in one we stop someone making a mess, in another we start cleaning it up.

Eventually it ought to start getting cleaned up. i.e. CO2 has to fall.

Developing technologies for that now is good. Stopping people from making messes is also good, and cheaper.

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