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Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

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Re: Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

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I'm using old.reddit.com and wasn't aware they started doing this. Reddit is turning into a dumpster fire, it's bad enough I have to use the old UI so that it doesn't burn a hole in the cpu.

Forget the CPU usage, I only use the old UI because it's better/ I find it more usable. Or maybe I'm just getting old :D

It's both.

The new UI is terrible and barely useable. But Gen-Z is used to barely useable UX. (looking at you, Snapchat)

Re: Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

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> 2015 — Content blocking comes to Safari and iOS typo. He means "Safari on iOS". Safari on desktop had normal extension-based ad blocking since day 1. Then the content blocking API came to iOS then later the same API in macOS. > • No debugging tools perhaps in 2015 -- I wouldn't know -- but today it's certainly debuggable with the help of a macOS host. Much like remote gdb. > The maximum number of rules limitation i…

This is from an ad-blocking community and shows that Apple is NOT serious about supporting ad-blocking and is in fact even sabotaging it on Safari:

> uBlock Origin was ported for Safari in 2016, and was updated regulary (mostly changes from the main project) until 2018 when development completley stopped. Since then Apple has begun phasing out Safari extensions as extensions, and has instead been implenting a new extensions framework which is extremley limited in adblocking functions, only allowing "content blockers", which are just links bundled as an app which Safari enforces. From Safari 12 / macOS Mojave, old legacy Safari extensions were still allowed, but came with warnings saying that they will slow down your browsing (they infact won't, or at least not noticably). ... Though it is still curently possible to install uBlock Origin by downloading the extension from Github (edit: must follow these instructions, it will not be starting from Safari 13 / macOS Catalina, when the legacy entension API will be fully deprecated.

Source: https://github.com/el1t/uBlock-Safari/issues/158

Re: Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

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Great article! It's funny to finally see ad blockers go "mainstream". My dystopian-future fear is that that Web Assembly will be the end of ad blocking (and the end of a web of connected web sites). Big sites will eventually convert to essentially "a web browser inside a web browser" so they have total control over the content and how it's displayed. Then ad blocking (and other customization) will be limited to "the…

I second this. I also hate how links behave nowadays. I used to right click and open in a new tab or save the link but in many cases it no longer works and is quite annoying.

If ads were more expensive to purchase we'd see a lot fewer of them and they would not be as intrusive. But this ain't so and we need adblockers.

They (the advertising industry) come back with a stronger system that is harder to ad block and we retaliate with something else. What baffles me is that they don't see that we are resisting, they produce something that nobody really wants. The whole advertising industry is something questionable.

Re: Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

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Great article! It's funny to finally see ad blockers go "mainstream". My dystopian-future fear is that that Web Assembly will be the end of ad blocking (and the end of a web of connected web sites). Big sites will eventually convert to essentially "a web browser inside a web browser" so they have total control over the content and how it's displayed. Then ad blocking (and other customization) will be limited to "the…

A lot of the future of ad blocking will depend upon why people are blocking ads. Some of us have nothing againsts ads in principle, but do not like the practices of the advertising industry. This includes things like tracking people across websites, intrusive advertising, excessive bandwidth usage, deceptive advertising, and so on. Blocking the "analog hole" would be irrelevant in most of those cases.

If ads were expensive to buy we'd see a lot fewer of them and would not need to be intrusive, they'd be be just as useful as intended, to inform people. The problem with the modern economy is that everything that works is eventually pushed over the fence and it stops working. The boom busting cycle keeps on repeating

Re: Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

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Great article! It's funny to finally see ad blockers go "mainstream". My dystopian-future fear is that that Web Assembly will be the end of ad blocking (and the end of a web of connected web sites). Big sites will eventually convert to essentially "a web browser inside a web browser" so they have total control over the content and how it's displayed. Then ad blocking (and other customization) will be limited to "the…

Site needs to be compatible with screen readers otherwise you risk a lawsuit over ADA.

Re: Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

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Great article! It's funny to finally see ad blockers go "mainstream". My dystopian-future fear is that that Web Assembly will be the end of ad blocking (and the end of a web of connected web sites). Big sites will eventually convert to essentially "a web browser inside a web browser" so they have total control over the content and how it's displayed. Then ad blocking (and other customization) will be limited to "the…

> Big sites will eventually convert to essentially "a web browser inside a web browser" so they have total control over the content and how it's displayed. This has already happened: Just look at how many websites pester you to download their mobile app or even block content unless you access from the app. From a user functionality perspective the vast majority of apps do nothing a browser can't do. But the killer fe…

I mean, won't there always be alternatives to this bullshit?

Re: Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

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Great article! It's funny to finally see ad blockers go "mainstream". My dystopian-future fear is that that Web Assembly will be the end of ad blocking (and the end of a web of connected web sites). Big sites will eventually convert to essentially "a web browser inside a web browser" so they have total control over the content and how it's displayed. Then ad blocking (and other customization) will be limited to "the…

I have disabled wasm in firefox and I don't intend to enable it ever. If someone wants to force "activex" on me again to use a site I won't use the site :)

Re: Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

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post #87
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using old.reddit.com and wasn't aware they started doing this. Reddit is turning into a dumpster fire, it's bad enough I have to use the old UI so that it doesn't burn a hole in the cpu.

Forget the CPU usage, I only use the old UI because it's better/ I find it more usable. Or maybe I'm just getting old :D

I wont disagree there, it's not useable. I wonder what possessed them into believing any of this was a good idea.

Re: Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of the future of ad blocking will depend upon why people are blocking ads. Some of us have nothing againsts ads in principle, but do not like the practices of the advertising industry. This includes things like tracking people across websites, intrusive advertising, excessive bandwidth usage, deceptive advertising, and so on. Blocking the "analog hole" would be irrelevant in most of those cases.

If ads were expensive to buy we'd see a lot fewer of them and would not need to be intrusive, they'd be be just as useful as intended, to inform people. The problem with the modern economy is that everything that works is eventually pushed over the fence and it stops working. The boom busting cycle keeps on repeating

They'd probably still engage in spying, though, which is 95% of what makes ads objectionable to me.

Re: Are ad blockers doomed or have we already won? A history lesson

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Sorry for that, we don't mind mentioning anyone, it's just there was no historical event that we could tie to uBO. I'll ask the author to add a footnote about uBO and others we missed to mention, we love them all. upd: done

I haven't read the article, and I'm not what you'd call well-versed in the history of ad blocking. But even I know that uBlock was bought out and introduced 'acceptable ads', and that uBlock Origin became the community fork which maintains the spirit of the original uBlock. That deserves more than a footnote, imho.

Acceptable ads was introduced by adblock plus, and it remains their primary revenue source.

uBlock is the original version of uBlock origin. Both were started by gorhill4 (sp?). Gorhill got sick of the constant support burden of people coming into his repo and reporting unblocked ads, which he then had to redirect to the filter list repos.

He handed the entire project off to some teenager with little programming experience. Said teenager did little but make a new website and request donations, core work basically halted.

Afterwards, gorhill got sick of seeing his old project be abandoned and get a bad reputation, and forked it as uBlock origin.

Thus, uBlock origin is not a community fork.

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