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Post by jaybeeayyy »

Panino wrote: post #47
DailyHN wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to see a playbook on making that happen.

If you're asking how to create a municipal fiber ISP, take inspiration and guidance from existing success stories. It'll vary depending on the state and culture and require multiple steps. If telecoms have already bribed the state govt to ban municipal Internet, collect signatures for a ballot question on whether to allow municipalities to decide for themselves. Next, start a local campaign to promote municipal FTTH.…

thank you! I hope my state (Virginia) can get on board with this because I'm just so tired of comcast and verizon.

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Post by alfromspace »

krapp wrote: post #88
alfromspace wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone becomes a NAZI after being tossed in jail for no good reason, well hey, fuck em'. How about we stop justifying hurting people because of their (in this case retroactive) violations of social/political norms and worry more about if our society itself is tolerable and is, in fact, sometimes perfectly deserving of extreme reactions.

No. Society doesn't need to worry about whether it's tolerant enough of "nazis" (or any hateful, violent, extremist ideologues), nor do we all need to realize that our collective failure to be adequately sympathetic towards "nazis" justifies their extremism. The "nazis" are not the real victims here. They deserve the social and political punishment they get.

This is all just supposed to be self-evident? What even are you talking about? Be specific.

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Post by WrtCdEvrydy »

willis936 wrote: post #73
WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #72

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Reset your credit completely... in the eyes of the corporations, you don't exist.

I simply do not believe that one piece of legislation could accomplish this. This is how money makes money. It will not stop for the law.

Well, your data is used for that model, and without the data, your credit can't be computed anymore.

This has already happened with GDPR... remember the credit unions are private companies, not government outfits.

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Post by sneak »

fl0wenol wrote: post #86
sneak wrote: post #38

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You’d go to jail like weev did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev AT&T put hundreds of thousands of subscriber emails on the web with no password or firewall or meaningful authentication of any kind. (They were server-sent autocompleted values in the username field of a login form that had a sequential integer URL argument.) He and a conspirator downloaded them all and sent them to the media to run stories about AT&…

Please let's not use weev as a cautionary tale. The guy had been baiting people to clock him in the face for his anti-social behavior on the internet since forever. I don't think it was what he did to AT&T that got him sent up, he'd been on the feds' radar since at least the Sarah Palin email hack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio

Perfect example of a guy just a little bit too far outside of the circle to get away with ignoring the inner party’s mandates.

They cooked up some insider trading to throw him in federal, too. He’s out now, I understand.

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Post by gonehome »

ouid wrote: post #68
gonehome wrote: post #59

For those that are unaware, if you live in California the recently passed CCPA (California Consumer Privacy Act) gives you a lot of new power to force companies to delete your data and let you opt-out of them selling it. For Comcast: https://www.xfinity.com/support/articles/ccpa It's a little tedious since you have to do it with each company, but so far I've found that it largely works. You can also do it for equifax…

>You can also do it for equifax, experian, and transunion. what, precisely, are the implications of this?

They don't remove data related to your FICO score that they can legally keep for that purpose.

They remove any other data about you that they collect and would otherwise 'anonymize' and sell. You can ask them to give you the data first before asking them to delete it if you're interested in what it specifically is.

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Post by SkyBelow »

sneak wrote: post #38
gruez wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defeatist attitude aside, what would happen if we crowd funded a wikileaks-type organization that operates "as an ISP" and doxxed politicians/lobbyists/lawyers/isp executives?

You’d go to jail like weev did. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weev AT&T put hundreds of thousands of subscriber emails on the web with no password or firewall or meaningful authentication of any kind. (They were server-sent autocompleted values in the username field of a login form that had a sequential integer URL argument.) He and a conspirator downloaded them all and sent them to the media to run stories about AT&…

Is there a better example of this than Epstein? To get away with one of the worst crimes for decades and once caught, to get a penalty that would be considered a slap on the wrist for tax evasion or drug possession, much less what he did.

There are teenagers who were dating someone with a slightly too large age gap who spent far more time in prison than Epstein did.

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Post by blaser-waffle »

buckminster wrote: post #40
gumby wrote: post #33

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Corporations are simply machines operated by humans much as an automobile, lawnmower, or piano is. None of those items have rights either.

For better or worse, reams of corporate law exist to make this not true. Your piano, for example, can't employ me.

A piano isn't liable when it falls out of a window and crushes you, Loony Toons style.

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Post by SkyBelow »

krapp wrote: post #88
alfromspace wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If someone becomes a NAZI after being tossed in jail for no good reason, well hey, fuck em'. How about we stop justifying hurting people because of their (in this case retroactive) violations of social/political norms and worry more about if our society itself is tolerable and is, in fact, sometimes perfectly deserving of extreme reactions.

No. Society doesn't need to worry about whether it's tolerant enough of "nazis" (or any hateful, violent, extremist ideologues), nor do we all need to realize that our collective failure to be adequately sympathetic towards "nazis" justifies their extremism. The "nazis" are not the real victims here. They deserve the social and political punishment they get.

>They deserve the social and political punishment they get.

If the "they" are the people supporting the punishment and torture of someone for reporting on corporate incompetence, and the manner of punishment is extremism, then your rationale leads to the extremism you want to punish. By this rationale, society deserves the extremism it gives rise to through its treatment of individuals who were not extremist before the treatment.

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Post by SkyBelow »

CaptArmchair wrote: post #24

That's not how "free speech" works. That right isn't violated by privacy protection laws. Free speech states that a state isn't going to prosecute you directly for whatever you may say. But that doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of what you're saying. Privacy protection simply states that any legal person who feels that your actions violated the consent they gave, is free to sue you via the legal system…

>Free speech states that a state isn't going to prosecute you directly for whatever you may say. But that doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of what you're saying.

If you are punished by the government for what you say, are you not being prosecuted by the government for what you say? If we say that all one needs to do to be punished for saying the wrong thing is to enter into an agreement with another person, what is to stop Facebook from adding something to its EULA saying by using the services you are agreeing to not say anything out of line with what Facebook wishes?

It seems like the end result of this rationale is that we allow the government to enforce private agreements that compromise speech. Effectively meaning you can sign away your First Amendment rights.

The whole "doesn't mean you are free from the consequences of what you're saying" is meant in respect to how other people are treating you, not how the government is treating you (regardless if it is on behalf of another person).

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Post by turc1656 »

34679 wrote: post #51

There's a pretty big difference between the qualifiers used in the 1st and 4th Amendments. The 1st begins with "Congress shall make no law.." The 4th states "..shall not be violated" This is important because the 1st restricts what the government can do, while the 4th restricts what anyone can do. In other words, Congress need not pass a law restricting the collecting and sale of private information because that acti…

I don't believe that's accurate. I've heard first hand from lawyers that the bill of rights guarantees protections from government action, not other citizens or entities like corporations. That's why, for example, we have to have laws that make it illegal for people to break into your home and steal stuff. Otherwise, we could just apply the 4th amendment.

No individual or company has to necessarily "respect" your first amendment right to free speech, as that is something that can only be violated by the government or a government affiliated entity for which these protections also apply.

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