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U.S. wants the EU to accept chemical-washed chicken as part of trade deal

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Re: U.S. wants the EU to accept chemical-washed chicken as part of trade deal

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Post by bosswipe »

cooljacob204 wrote: post #70
sharkmerry wrote: post #51

Some stats. EU - ~500 Million people. "In the EU, over 91,000 salmonellosis cases are reported each year." [1] US. ~330 Million People. "CDC estimates Salmonella bacteria cause about 1.35 million infections, 26,500 hospitalizations, and 420 deaths in the United States every year. Food is the source for most of these illnesses." [2] 1- https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/salmonella 2- https://www.cdc.gov/salmon…

This is an estimate vs reported cases. Not exactly good numbers to compare.

Maybe, but it's not going to be wrong by several orders of magnitude like this.

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Post by stewbrew »

I personally don't get this. European supermarkets are full of cheap chicken meat. Can the US food industry actually beat that low quality meat with even cheaper and lower quality junk food and still be profitable? Please somebody call the ALF squat team. This is sick.

Re: U.S. wants the EU to accept chemical-washed chicken as part of trade deal

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Post by sampo »

sneak wrote: post #35
brummm wrote: post #2

I really hope the EU will not allow this kind of US meat into the EU market...

Why? Do you believe it is harmful? If so, why?

> Do you believe it is harmful? If so, why?

In Europe we believe it's indirectly harmful: Being able to wash germs off meat and eggs allows tolerating more diseases in the farms. If you can't just sanitize diseases off products, you have to keep the farms clean of diseases.

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Post by joecool1029 »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #52
gadders wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's just protectionism. It's not like the chicken tastes of bleach. Have you ever eaten food in the US?

The US has 450 deaths from Salmonella every year, the UK has had 1 in the last ten years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salmonellosis_in_the_United_St...

Yet if you look at the cases they weren't transmitted from meat/egg end-products, it was almost always produce sources contaminated with manure from infected populations.

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Post by atoav »

joecool1029 wrote: post #53
tryptophan wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It's vinegar, essentially. Lol. Sure, lets all just drink hydrogen peroxide. It's water, essentially. Peroxides and carboxylic acids(vinegar is an example) are very different things...

>Sure, lets all just drink hydrogen peroxide. I use hydrogen peroxide to disinfect contact lenses. It neutralizes into water and oxygen in the presence of a catalyst. It would do that over a long enough period when exposed to air. I linked a paper in the thread elsewhere that shows the same decay for the chicken washes. Using peroxide as a lens disinfectant has advantages over other multi-purpose solutions which caus…

This is about something else. If you are allowed to clean meat that aggressively it usually means what passes as good enough to be sold has a lower standard. Or the other way around: because we in the EU can't use these methods the whole supply chain and quality control has to be much much stricter to deal with this. We can't just dip the thing in chlorine and assume it is clean now.

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Post by ivalm »

noelsusman wrote: post #54
the_gastropod wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If the end result is unequivocally good... I think they'd argue "cleanliness" is not the only aspect of what "good" is. The chickens' diets and living conditions affect the quality of the chicken. To say nothing of the animal cruelty angle...

Then why focus on the chemical wash and not the actual problem people care about?

Because the wash hides the actual problems making it harder to detect.

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Post by klohto »

drywater wrote: post #72
sharkmerry wrote: post #51

Some stats. EU - ~500 Million people. "In the EU, over 91,000 salmonellosis cases are reported each year." [1] US. ~330 Million People. "CDC estimates Salmonella bacteria cause about 1.35 million infections, 26,500 hospitalizations, and 420 deaths in the United States every year. Food is the source for most of these illnesses." [2] 1- https://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/topics/topic/salmonella 2- https://www.cdc.gov/salmon…

Eastern Europe under-reports these cases for sure.

Why would they?

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Post by kdmccormick »

stiray wrote: post #84

(Read to the end, it is not what you think it is!) I have stopped eating meat in 1990, due to the discusting way the animals are treated and I couldn't care less. At well over 40s I still look young, no gray hair, medical results are fabolus. BUT!!! I would seriously ask all the vegans/vegetarians to STFU, they are annoying to the point where everyone attacks me when I tell him that I don't eat meat and try to argue.…

You may be shocked to find that you are part of the group you are trying to to call out...
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