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U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by snarf21 »

papito wrote: post #63

I was just thinking the other day how you won't even have to tap your card to pay for something - just walk up to the register. The future is bright, but most likely - dark and terrifying.

The future is dark and full of terrors. 1984 and Fahrenheit 451 only scratched the surface. I truly expect in the future we'll voluntary put ourselves into the Matrix or the Oasis. It will be the only way to cope because real life will become so controlled.

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Post by bsenftner »

caconym_ wrote: post #15
stevehawk wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?

1. What one expects != what one thinks is right. 2. I suppose you would be ok, then, with a police officer tailing you everywhere you go, recording everything you do, everywhere you go, everything you say, and to whom, peering in the windows of your home if you forget to keep your blinds drawn? Just in case that information happens to be useful to a government at some point in the future?

Your mobile phone provides much better tracking than what tracking can be achieved with FR. Your mobile is a giant microphoned fink you're carrying around, providing exactly your worst imaginations of what FR might eventually become.

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by bsenftner »

dathinab wrote: post #32
stevehawk wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?

Counter question. Do you expect/are ok with that the moment you leave your house you are constantly followed by a person with a camera recording everything you do. Which shops you visite etc.? Because this is basically what this will sooner or later boil down to, except that's more subtle (i.e. instead of having a person following you you have a innumerable amount of cameras sharing the recording burden, but producin…

You realize your phone is providing everything anyone tracking you needs, without FR, already, TODAY?

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by bsenftner »

tictok4 wrote: post #84
stevehawk wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're out in public then what privacy are you expecting?

I'm expecting not to be tracked by 50 axis cameras with analytic software the moment I step out my front door and go for a walk or run in my city. To not have my path tracked or reviewed should someone unaccountable decide to do so.

Yet, you carry your phone.

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by bsenftner »

vuln wrote: post #5
throwaway743 wrote: post #4

Does this pertain specifically to facial recognition or does this also include other biometric markers? If solely facial recognition, then this means jack shit, as people will be identified with other measurements.

You’re 100% correct banning facial recognition means jack shit. I guess it’s a start though. Chinese ‘gait recognition’ tech IDs people by how they walk https://apnews.com/bf75dd1c26c947b7826d270a16e2658a

And bad journalism gets repeated: 'gait recognition' is fraud now, it was something until proved to be unreliable and easily defeated several years ago. nobody peddling gait recognition is taken seriously - it is almost a line in the sand for technical idiots trying to cash in, not actual members of the security industry, just tech opportunists.

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Post by bathtub365 »

bsenftner wrote: post #93
dathinab wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Counter question. Do you expect/are ok with that the moment you leave your house you are constantly followed by a person with a camera recording everything you do. Which shops you visite etc.? Because this is basically what this will sooner or later boil down to, except that's more subtle (i.e. instead of having a person following you you have a innumerable amount of cameras sharing the recording burden, but producin…

You realize your phone is providing everything anyone tracking you needs, without FR, already, TODAY?

You can turn off your phone. You can’t turn off cameras you don’t control.

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by bsenftner »

papito wrote: post #63

I was just thinking the other day how you won't even have to tap your card to pay for something - just walk up to the register. The future is bright, but most likely - dark and terrifying.

And for your correct understanding: FR is not authoritative, is is not secure for financial transactions. Any company implementing FR alone as authentication to access sensitive, personal or financial data is stupendously foolish. Apple's FaceID is not 2D, it uses additional 3D data and multiple frames, so it is more secure, but not enough in my opinion for financial access.

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by mschuster91 »

tictok4 wrote: post #83
t223 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately ANPR is becoming ubiquitous - especially around A1A. I’d support banning this as well.

I might be content with a large warning sign "LICENSE PLATE READER AHEAD" for each location.

So in the end people who don't want to be tracked in their movement by the government only have the option to drive through small back-in-the-woods roads, while the new "highway toll" is to have your data harvested?

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by dr01d »

bathtub365 wrote: post #96
bsenftner wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize your phone is providing everything anyone tracking you needs, without FR, already, TODAY?

You can turn off your phone. You can’t turn off cameras you don’t control.

You can turn off your phone. You can't turn off the 1000s of phones around you that you don't control. With cameras, microphones, and GPS.

Re: U.S. Gov Privacy Watchdog Under Pressure to Recommend Facial Recognition Ban

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Post by ukd1 »

t223 wrote: post #79
tictok4 wrote: post #2

Good but don't exempt the government. Many local cities are building out vast networks. Including my very own Miami Beach Police Department.

Unfortunately ANPR is becoming ubiquitous - especially around A1A. I’d support banning this as well.

ANPR != Facial recognition
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