Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Second Travel-Related Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Detected in United States

cdc.gov

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

91–100 of 101 posts

Re: Second Travel-Related Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Detected in United States

#91

Post by DataWorker »

serf wrote: post #69
newnewpdro wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you have the sense to do that. Have you met many Americans? I don't know why, but the ER has become the default destination for anything medical for many. There's no need to call ahead, they're open 24hrs! sigh

>Only if you have the sense to do that. Have you met many Americans? I don't know why this kind of 'American stereotyping' is okay. That aside, myself and my family ('Americans' in 'America') have physicians that we call when we have issues. That physician is generally the one to tell us what to do. Our situation isn't abnormal or unusual, either.

Do you have hmo coverage? I think what you describe is increasingly anachronistic and may vanish completely in coming years, for a majority of Americans at least, depending on certain political outcomes.

Re: Second Travel-Related Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Detected in United States

#92

Post by gvjddbnvdrbv »

serf wrote: post #69
newnewpdro wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you have the sense to do that. Have you met many Americans? I don't know why, but the ER has become the default destination for anything medical for many. There's no need to call ahead, they're open 24hrs! sigh

>Only if you have the sense to do that. Have you met many Americans? I don't know why this kind of 'American stereotyping' is okay. That aside, myself and my family ('Americans' in 'America') have physicians that we call when we have issues. That physician is generally the one to tell us what to do. Our situation isn't abnormal or unusual, either.

What do you do if you get sick on Christmas day?

Everywhere I've lived the family doctor should be first contact but everyone seems to get sick at 5:30pm on Friday...

Re: Second Travel-Related Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Detected in United States

#93

Post by newnewpdro »

serf wrote: post #69
newnewpdro wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you have the sense to do that. Have you met many Americans? I don't know why, but the ER has become the default destination for anything medical for many. There's no need to call ahead, they're open 24hrs! sigh

>Only if you have the sense to do that. Have you met many Americans? I don't know why this kind of 'American stereotyping' is okay. That aside, myself and my family ('Americans' in 'America') have physicians that we call when we have issues. That physician is generally the one to tell us what to do. Our situation isn't abnormal or unusual, either.

It's backed up by the statistics, and if you go do some searches for "emergency room unnecesary" and the like, you'll find plenty of articles on the subject.

  Number of visits: 145.6 million
  Number of injury-related visits: 42.2 million
  Number of visits per 100 persons: 45.8
  Number of emergency department visits resulting in hospital admission: 12.6 million
  Number of emergency department visits resulting in admission to critical care unit: 2.2 million
  [0]
"71% of ED Visits Unnecessary, Avoidable" [1]

If you're not familiar with Americans going to ERs "just to be safe" for the most frivolous reasons, because their insurance will pay for it, we're not living in the same country.

With that sort of attitude being prevalent, it's easy to see how someone would go directly to the ER and spread something like this without giving it any thought.

[0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/emergency-department.htm

[1] https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/patient-flow/study-71-...

Re: Second Travel-Related Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Detected in United States

#94

Post by chrisco255 »

adrianN wrote: post #58
chrisco255 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

CO2 is plant food. All organic species are made out of substantial amounts of carbon. The mild warming has not killed anyone and no, droughts are not more common than they were 100 years ago. Only 11,000 people died from natural disasters and weather related phenomenon last year, down from over 1,000,000 per year, 100 years ago.

We're at less than 1K of warming today, but our emissions put us on a 3K+ path.

That's still cooler than temps experienced for the first part of civilization in the early Holocene (roughly 10k to 6K years ago). It was a boom time for humanity.

Re: Second Travel-Related Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Detected in United States

#95

Post by Fomite »

core-questions wrote: post #59
Fomite wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, most hospitals in the Chicago area with an ICU can handle this.

The problem is that you show up with minimal symptoms like someone who has a cold, to an ER where people have serious wounds and problems. You get triaged and end up sitting in the waiting room for hours, infecting potentially tens of other people, who may have weakened immune systems, etc. and it goes on to spread around the hospital. What can the hospital even do to help you with this?

Triage should include a travel history. Additionally, especially during flu season, if you're presenting "like someone who has a cold" you should be wearing a mark.

In terms of what a hospital can do - if you get severe viral pneumonia, intensive care and supportive therapy is about all that can be done.

Re: Second Travel-Related Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Detected in United States

#96

Post by Fomite »

newnewpdro wrote: post #67
gvjddbnvdrbv wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you have travelled to the affected areas and have respiratory symptoms you DON'T just go to hospital. You call ahead and then do what you are told.

Only if you have the sense to do that. Have you met many Americans? I don't know why, but the ER has become the default destination for anything medical for many. There's no need to call ahead, they're open 24hrs! sigh

The major driver of overuse of the ER is EMTALA, which means you're going to be treated without regard for your ability to pay in an ER.

There's blame for that, but for many people with non-critical conditions in the ER, it's a rational choice.

Re: Second Travel-Related Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Detected in United States

#97

Post by Fomite »

zhdc1 wrote: post #86
Fomite wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I run an infectious disease modeling lab - while I don't use these tools, I know people who do. In my lab, we use R, Numpy, SciPy, StochPy, etc. You could also just see about donating directly to a lab at a nearby university.

What are some of the R libraries that your team uses? I wouldn't mind donating some time to help with bug fixes. I have no idea though which R libraries/projects are being used.

Lets see...

survival, parallel/snow, Amelia2, nlme,vioplot,ggplot2 and deSolve are the big ones.

Re: Second Travel-Related Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Detected in United States

#98

Post by MiroF »

hyperpape wrote: post #15
MiroF wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

but then compare the number of typical influenza dead to the year of the 2009 H1N1 pandemic

They were within ordinary ranges, though perhaps at the high end. The US has more flu deaths in a typical year than it had H1N1 deaths. I was watching it obsessively early on, but it turned out to not be disastrous.

"normal ranges"? https://d2vlcm61l7u1fs.cloudfront.net/media%2F6a3%2F6a3d1795...

Re: Second Travel-Related Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Detected in United States

#99

Post by hyperpape »

MiroF wrote: post #98
hyperpape wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were within ordinary ranges, though perhaps at the high end. The US has more flu deaths in a typical year than it had H1N1 deaths. I was watching it obsessively early on, but it turned out to not be disastrous.

"normal ranges"? https://d2vlcm61l7u1fs.cloudfront.net/media%2F6a3%2F6a3d1795...

That is not the total number of deaths for either the us or the world. Please compare total deaths.

Further, note that I said at the high end: many years were lower, but it didn’t exceed other non-pandemic years.

Re: Second Travel-Related Case of 2019 Novel Coronavirus Detected in United States

#100

Post by zaroth »

cesarb wrote: post #45
zaroth wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human breathing produces about 2.5 billion tons of CO2 per year. Aviation is just under 1 billion tons per year. Aviation is one of the great wonders of the modern world. The carbon it produces is essentially inconsequential. Compared to the wealth, knowledge, peace, and prosperity that international travel directly supports, calls to curtail plane travel in order to reduce CO2 IMO are seriously misguided.

> Human breathing produces about 2.5 billion tons of CO2 per year. The carbon emitted in human breathing came from the food, and the carbon in the food came from the atmosphere. It's a closed cycle. It doesn't matter if it's a billion or two, an identical amount of carbon had to be captured first.

Well technically it’s all a closed cycle. Humans consume carbon sinks, whether it’s for glucose or joules, to survive.

The carbon sinks we consume to produce glucose do tend to be ones that pulled their carbon from to atmosphere in the last couple years, rather than millions of years ago.

And I agree, moving fresh carbon between atmosphere, organisms, and back into the atmosphere doesn’t have a net effect that builds up over time like burning fossil fuels. So it wasn’t a great comparison.

Post reply on HN