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What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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While the iTunes client has been something I've directed much dislike to over the years, the iTunes store feels like the last place I can get mainstream music DRM free to just play on any of my devices and keep regardless of what licensing deals change. While Spotify is great for access to music, the client is very poor for library/playlist management, and some music I'd just like to have my own copy of. If the store…

Just buy the albums from bandcamp.com

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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“(A note for older readers: More time separates us today from the debut of the first iPod than separated the first iPod from the debut of the first Macintosh computer.)“ Wow.

This comparison is absolutely meaningless to me. Does that mean I'm older than the older readers?

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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> Apple music is pretty much exactly the same as iTunes was without a bunch of non-music related features. Hmm, not really. I took a brief look at the UI during the Catalina beta and concluded that I wanted nothing to do with it. I have spent years learning how to use iTunes well. I'm not about to throw away that investment of time and energy on a new, untested app with a different UI. I'll stick with iTunes to manag…

> I'm not about to throw away that investment of time and energy on a new, untested app with a different UI. Come on, now. Think of the poor product managers, the struggling UX researchers and designers. How are they going to make their careers off of minor upgrades tied down to past investments of users?

When I was working at Apple, some of us had a saying: "Apple knows what you need, and we're going to give it to you – good and hard."

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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It could have been much, much worse. They could have ported over the iOS Music app.

I'm pretty sure that's exactly what they did. My understanding is that they based the macOS version on the iOS version. Explains quite a bit.

The macOS Catalina Music app is very much still based on iTunes. It still supports AppleScript, the preferences dialog is still a modal, it retains a bunch of subtle (not always desired) behavior in stuff like metadata edit autocomplete and multiple window support, etc, it even has the ancient legacy visualizer, it's all still iTunes.

The Podcasts/TV/Books apps that got split out OTOH I believe are all iOS ports

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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post #62

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They totally destroyed the audiobooks feature. Can't edit ID3, no playlists with Catalina. It's hard to believe how they could destroy it so thoroughly.

First, I agree with you - it's bullshit they took away the features they did. That said, of all the people you know in the Apple ecosystem, how many people know/do the following: know what an id3 tag is, manage the metadata of their digital audio content, listen to audiobooks. Maybe I'm wrong, but most non-nerds I know don't and would not ever want to think about 1 and 2. Plenty of people who fall into 3, but again a…

The vast majority of developers that I know use macs. And not just web developers. That's got to be a sizable userbase, considering that a growing number of non-devs that I know use crappy laptops and instead use their phones for most of their digital needs.

Of course I have no idea if this is reflected in the world-wide breakdown of Mac users, but I'd be surprised if the 'programmer' category isn't sizable enough that it's kind of silly (in a typical Apple way) to ignore them.

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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post #64

I wouldn't say that iTunes died of natural causes, but rather that Apple killed it. Bit by bit over the course of years starting with the iPod Photo when they added picture syncing, then video, etc etc. Even podcasts never really fit in that well with the static library model that worked so well for your music library. It's too bad because when it was just an app to manage your music library it was clean, easy to use…

> when it was just an app to manage your music library it was clean, easy to use and logical.

Strong disagreement here: I always found iTunes to be the poster child of incompetent design. It's design was a good fit for stuffing a lot of functionality into because it was never coherent or usable to begin with.

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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> Most iPhone users, instead of tapping on a favorite app, now just search for it from the top bar. Funny how "intuitive" interfaces must regress to ideas that must be over half a century old by now just to work properly.

When the most recent ipad refresh came out I bought one after not having used an ios device since I had an ipod touch years and years ago. Coming from Android I was and still am kind of stunned that there is no way to just see an alphabetical list of all the apps on my device. I finally figured out the gesture to bring up the search but it is still not as good as just have a a list.

Every time Ive touched an ios or os x device over the last decade, I'm shocked at its poor usability. I don't mean that things work differently from what I'm used to; I'll usually ask the owner of the device about it and they'll mention their workflow, and it's usually far clunkier (and then a few years later, ios picks up the feature I was missing to raves from users). Despite not buying the marketing hype, I'd apparently internalized the glowing word of mouth I had gotten a from iPhone and Mac users over the years.

Though I guess I've long since reconciled myself to the fact that most people have incredibly low standards for their computing devices.

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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>proper track search Please explain. What is is missing? I find that it works pretty well. Is was one of its main selling point at the time and its interface spread throughout the OS: Finder, Spotlight, System Preferences, etc

New search field now return album covers (yuck). Old list search feature is now under View > Show Filter Field. Disappears after app restarts...

You can change that. I configured it to work as it used to.

I use it as the old 2000s versions, no album cover stuff

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

#99
post #8

My take on the author's take is that by point 10, he's realized what a muddled and silly thing this is. > So what really failed, maybe, wasn’t iTunes at all… At which point whatever substance he's abused to get that far really kicks in for his final point. > In 1940, the German critic Walter Benjamin wrote about an angel in a Paul Klee painting. […] It is now clear, 80 years later, that the angel is looking at his ph…

Yea, it doesn't even function well as a joke, since it says more about Apple's product development pathologies than the broader culture of digital products.

Re: What the death of iTunes says about digital habits

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post #73
post #2

... iTunes became a bucket of too many features, so apple split it up into multiple applications. Apple music is pretty much exactly the same as iTunes was without a bunch of non-music related features. It's silly to say ~"iTunes died" it just changed names.

> It's silly to say ~"iTunes died" it just changed names. I don’t agree at all. While iTunes was feature rich and relatively stable, the replacements are relatively feature poor and quite unstable. Apple should’ve taken another year to introduce the replacements.

“relatively stable” You didn’t use itunes much did you?
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