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Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

#91
I think this is dumb.

I like the idea of everything using USB-C, but in reality I have found USB-C cables to be unreliable (with power and with data) when used with a device other than the one it came with.

You could go on and on about power ratings and spec adherence, but I have never had such issues with Lightning cables.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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Lightning is smaller, case closed.

Is it meaningfully smaller? Side by side, they look the same size to me.

It's also significantly stronger. The lightning connector is male on the cable and female on the device whereas USB-C has a female connection on the end of the cable and is more prone to damaging the male port on the device.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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How is it pointless? The article talks about trying to cut down on electronic waste: > The regulator is determined to cut down on electronic waste being created by obsolete cables, which it estimates generate more than 51,000 tonnes of waste per year. It's surely much less wasteful to extend the life of the cable standard than to ensure longer cable lifespans. Even if you had a cable that lasted 7 years, chances are…

It's pointless because , the chance of a cable lasting 7 years doesn't happen. Even the phone isn't typically designed to last that long. The cases where people end up replacing their cable because of a new standard is way less frequent than the cable breaking, this has been my experience at least considering the shifting standards which you talk about. It sounds a bit like optimizing some process but ignoring what i…

I don't know why it has proven so durable, but I'm still using a Motorola-branded charger and microUSB cable that came with a Defy+, around 2012.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

#94

So basically some subset of EU Parliament legislators have an opinion about something. In Apple's defense, the lightning connector and previous iPod connector both served as a charging cable and computer interface cable. So it was never the same situation as the old devoted phone chargers. And they invented them without any standard alternatives available. If this passes, the next time you think about inventing an in…

I'm reminded about 30 times a day when dismissing a cookie popup of the stupidness of EU regulations. When considering the lifetimes wasted recreating that popup on countless websites, I'm ready to go full Libertarian.

The craziest thing about the EU pop up is that it's not actually required by law

Someone decided to do it and everyone just copied

All you need is a link to a page describing your cookie usage

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

#95
That seems like pretty pointless regulation.

If they don't like cable waste, just slap a Pigovian Tax on cable waste (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pigovian_tax) and let the market sort it out.

> The regulator is determined to cut down on electronic waste being created by obsolete cables, which it estimates generate more than 51,000 tonnes of waste per year.

Giving a per capita figure would have been helpful.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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It's pointless because , the chance of a cable lasting 7 years doesn't happen. Even the phone isn't typically designed to last that long. The cases where people end up replacing their cable because of a new standard is way less frequent than the cable breaking, this has been my experience at least considering the shifting standards which you talk about. It sounds a bit like optimizing some process but ignoring what i…

I don't know why it has proven so durable, but I'm still using a Motorola-branded charger and microUSB cable that came with a Defy+, around 2012.

The original Defy (2010) was the best phone I had ever owned. Water resistant, hardy, high resolution and very, very pocketable.

I think the folks on XDA kept OS updates available till Android 7.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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I mean, it's good to reduce disposable cables, but it's not like Apple is egregious about this. The Lightning port has been in use longer than the time between the release of USB and Mini-USB, Mini-USB and Micro-USB, Micro-USB and USB-C, or USB-C to today. The 30-pin connector was current for 9 years, even longer than Lightning has been around.

This is a rather pointless stat though. None of the cables currently available are rated for 9 years and most have a ridiculously short lifespan of 1-2 years anyway. In fact it probably works against Apple as it demonstrates that the churn of innovation doesn't really exist if new advances only occur every 9 years.

2 year lifespan, seriously? My phone's standard mini-USB cable is at least 5 years old by now, and shows zero signs of wear. What the hell is Apple doing to make such awful cables?

Edit: Correction - it's a micro-USB cable.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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With a standard connector one can have standardised power bricks too, which may eventually lead to no need for power bricks at all.

But we already have that. The power brick almost always has a USB connector on it nowadays (even with Apple), and it didn't require setting up a perpetual committee of bureaucrats to feed at the public trough.

As others have noted, this was in large part due to the European Commission’s common external power supply initiative back in 2009, and similar standards in Asia.

Re: Apple may have to abandon Lightning connector cable

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It's pointless because , the chance of a cable lasting 7 years doesn't happen. Even the phone isn't typically designed to last that long. The cases where people end up replacing their cable because of a new standard is way less frequent than the cable breaking, this has been my experience at least considering the shifting standards which you talk about. It sounds a bit like optimizing some process but ignoring what i…

I don't know why it has proven so durable, but I'm still using a Motorola-branded charger and microUSB cable that came with a Defy+, around 2012.

Same here, including the Defy+ itself. I have a slew of them doing duty as work phone, trailer camera, media player and such.
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