Great idea, it's a shame that they had to add this 50/50 nonsense. I know a lot of guy that would kill for that opportunity.
And I know a lot of women who have been successful graduates of the program, what's your point?
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#92Earlier quoted context omitted.
While my debt load is not nearly as much I did the same thing. I studied economics even though when I got home from class I would spend hours and hours tinkering with hardware, Linux, and programming. Everyone I talked to thought I was silly for not sticking with my CS major and doing Economics. They were right. I am learning on the job and it’s been kicking my butt but I am learning and it’s been good though I would…
Economics could have been a gateway to a high-earning career, but you'd have had to work in finance.
That was the plan. But I went to a no-name school in the eyes of the finance world but also my heart wasn’t into it so my performance wasn’t great. And it occurred to me almost by the end of my studies that I didn’t want to work in finance. Economics is really interesting though.
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#93Reminder that this exists, which is a Software Engineering MSc from a reasonably well-known uni, that you're meant to do while working: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ all-in cost was something like £25,000 for me including accommodation, and they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees. EDIT: happy to answer questions by email
That looks amazing. Do you know of any write-ups on the part-time MSc from students?
It’s said to be a bit of a cash cow for the department
Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#94Reminder that this exists, which is a Software Engineering MSc from a reasonably well-known uni, that you're meant to do while working: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ all-in cost was something like £25,000 for me including accommodation, and they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees. EDIT: happy to answer questions by email
"reasonably well known", isn't Oxford considered one of the best universities of the world?
I thought that was Cambridge? ;)
Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#95Great idea, it's a shame that they had to add this 50/50 nonsense. I know a lot of guy that would kill for that opportunity.
And I know a lot of women who have been successful graduates of the program, what's your point?
"kill for the opportunity" and "successful graduate" seems pretty different
If you keep upping the entry bar, the ones that would "kill" to enter have higher odds of entry.
Being able to graduate is a much lower bar, so what's your point?
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#97Earlier quoted context omitted.
Waterloo does this where they mix internships and study throughout their time.
And this is why I always love having a Waterloo intern / new grad on the team. They are just so productive. They hit the ground _sprinting_.
But then the intern experience counts for nothing in terms of "years of experience" for stupid HR departments and most companies usually refuse to give a better than new grad offer to wloo coop grads. Others who instead finished school in 3 years without internships and then started working already have a promotion at that point. I don't recommend anyone talented go coop, just do the normal program, grind leetcode and maybe do one internship if it leads to a good return offer.
Also one big reason some Waterloo grads hit the ground sprinting is because Waterloo attracts talent with high cognitive ability and interest in tech. Be careful not to confuse that with the coop program (which may have its own benefits, but would not work nearly as well without talented students).
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#98Reminder that this exists, which is a Software Engineering MSc from a reasonably well-known uni, that you're meant to do while working: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ all-in cost was something like £25,000 for me including accommodation, and they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees. EDIT: happy to answer questions by email
> they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees
https://www.ox.ac.uk/admissions/graduate/courses/msc-compute...
> As a minimum, applicants should hold or be predicted to achieve the equivalent of the following UK qualifications:
> a first-class undergraduate degree with honours in a subject with a significant component of mathematics and/or computing.
So, is an undergraduate degree required or not?
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#99Wait how do they make money out of this. They're paying salary to people that can't yet code? I've seen companies strugle to make money with mid level devs.
Depends on the 'intern' culture they have here. They are basically paying people 40k per year. Combine that with an actual program for entry-level hires (like a bootcamp), and I can see the value. I'm not sure what Dev salaries look like in Canada, but in the US, 40k is extremely low. I think Shopify is a rails shop, which is super quick to get productive in. Also, given the stack, it's probably not as easy to just throw H1b (or whatever Can equivalent) at the problem.
This is also a great value for the applicants, as you get actual experience, with no tuition. Very interested to see how this works out. Kudos to Shopify for forward thinking.
Re: DevDegree: Work at Shopify and get a free CS degree in parallel
#100Reminder that this exists, which is a Software Engineering MSc from a reasonably well-known uni, that you're meant to do while working: http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/softeng/ all-in cost was something like £25,000 for me including accommodation, and they're open minded about accepting people without undergraduate degrees. EDIT: happy to answer questions by email
I'd love to hear more about this. I've been working as a dev for 3 years and looking at senior positions; do you think this course would augment my practical experience. I wonder what level they teach to.
Not likely seeing as this program is basically training you to become a dev.